Devils Advocate.(Indian affairs)

[boneaddict]

Heres a Devils advocate thought for you all.    I wonder what an outsider (non hunter sitting in their living room in Wenatchee just for instance)  thinks of someone blasting a buck on the winterrange, when it is their legal right to do so.  For those not being able to follow my thought process, Govenors tags/raffle tags versus tribal hunting.   

Don't get me wrong, I want one of those something fierce.  its just always good to self evaluate instead of pointing ones fingers all the time.

[huntnphool]

 Good question Bone. I can tell you that if I had that tag I wouldn't pass a 200" buck just because it had made its way to the winter range. The state gives out these tags knowing full well that killing one of these animals in those areas is a likelyhood, if they didn't want it to happen they would put restrictions on it!!!

 To me there is a huge difference between taking a buck on the winter range and taking a buck out of a feed station. I find it extremely hard to believe that if given the chance with one of these tags that anyone on this site would completely avoid "winter range" because of ethics
It could be argued that "winter range" is any area in the entire Methow/Chelan Valley.

 

[buck470]

You have to put Indian in the title, if you want to get this thread going.

attempted humor.

[runamuk]

I have lots of non hunters in my family (not anti hunter)....if the non hunter is a reasonable person and has some common sense  they will consider legal hunting even on winter range about the same as all other hunting.  Most don't know the difference. 
The idea of shooting an animal with its head in a trough of feed is different, that is wrong no matter who is doing it, to most the non hunters I know.

[boneaddict]

There you go buck. 

[Slider]

I also wonder how many of those SAME people thinks it's politicaly correct to PIMP our animals!!!

[runamuk]

I also wonder how many of those SAME people thinks it's politicaly correct to PIMP our animals!!!

Most don't even know hell I didn't know until I came to this site and I live with hunters who didn't know.

[popeshawnpaul]

If I were a non-indian non hunter...

I would say that we are just bickering over who gets to kill the elk.  Split it up and quit the arguing.  There is a treaty and a judge ruled on it.  It's not fair that the indians are killing only big males.  Sounds like hunters are just bitching because they got the short stick.  Nobody really cares about the animals, you all just want to fight over them and see who gets to kill them.   

[JoeVon]

How much different is it to sneak around on the Winter Range, photographing animals?  Just another "perspective."

[runamuk]

How much different is it to sneak around on the Winter Range, photographing animals?  Just another "perspective."

Actually this is a great point.....especially at feeding areas...after all pressure is pressure ... people induce stress whether they are hunting with a gun or a camera, and my biased opinion is camera wielding tourists are putting more pressure/stress on animals than those who intimately know animals and their habits. 

gotta love devils advocates 

[boneaddict]

What do you mean Joevon?  I'm pretty sure that a gutpile and red bloodstain provokes different feelings than a camera toting individual.  Is that what you mean....

Damn right I am jealous Pope.    Suprised you don't feel that way with the 50 sheep tags  they get......

[boneaddict]

Who are you calling a touritst....... 

[runamuk]

Who are you calling a touritst....... 

Them granola eating, electric car driving peeps from the city with their 3 kids going oh oh lookit those deer 

[DOUBLELUNG]

I think it's worse than that, unfortunately.  I think a heck of a lot of nonhunters (not antihunters) feel sorry for the poor, downtrodden, indigenous peoples, and we are just a selfish bunch of insensitive louts who want to take away one of their few remaining rights because it impacts our recreation.

I can for sure say, based on my experience, the majority of nonhunters who DON'T oppose legal, regulated hunting - would still rather a wild predator kill and eat those animals,than one of us.

Now, if the choice is between an indian and a wolf, that probably tears their p.c. hearts in two - but I'm betting the wolf gets more votes than the Indian.

[JoeVon]

What do you mean Joevon?  I'm pretty sure that a gutpile and red bloodstain provokes different feelings than a camera toting individual.  Is that what you mean....

Damn right I am jealous Pope.    Suprised you don't feel that way with the 50 sheep tags  they get......

Stress is Stress.  Say for example, a photographer sees a buck he wants a picture of, tries to put a stalk on it, but blows it and the Buck takes off.  This creates stress on the buck that really isn't warranted.  Say this happens multiple times while the Buck is on its winter range.  Every time this happens this Buck is burning reserves, and at some point runs out of them, and dies.   What i'm getting at is a Dead Buck is a Dead Buck....wether its a bullet (a legal one by the way) or starvation, its the same thing.   So tell me,  does a buck that is shot (legally) or a buck that is starved warrant the same amount of emotion?

Joe