Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana

[Bigshooter]

I don't understand why so many on this thread are making such a big deal of this.  He poached, he was caught, and now he pays for it.  I feel confident that MT charged him for everything that they could.  Time to move on.

[Jonnyjammer]

Sorry sir but I respectfully disagree,If they dont charge him with the Lacey Act they didnt charge him with all they could have.If we all want this poaching to stop,then we need to send a strong clear message no matter how popular the criminal may be. 

[Bigshooter]

Sorry sir but I respectfully disagree,If they dont charge him with the Lacey Act they didnt charge him with all they could have.If we all want this poaching to stop,then we need to send a strong clear message no matter how popular the criminal may be. 

If they didn't charge him the law didn't apply or they couldn't make it stick. 

[Jonnyjammer]

well thats fine unless they made a deal and we dont know about it,What do you say about the trespassing?Did he get what he could have for that to?

[buckfvr]

Something about " the fat lady sings " comes to mind..................and she hasn't sung yet.

[Special T]

One of my favorite hunting show personalities (uncle Ted) pled guilty to a wildlife crime. I belive it was shooting deer over bait in CA.

I think lots of people have made mistakes. I think the motivation between the mistakes with matt and ted are different.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547 using Tapatalk

[JDHasty]

http://www.martinarchery.com/bows/thrasher/

Martin Archery still has his endorsement and photo up on their website.  What market are they after, the poacher/trespasser segment?   

[Whitpirate]

I dont know and not being a smarty pants but what would you consider trade.I consider anything you make money on in any way to be trade,therefore all of the trade made from these hunts should be under the lacey act.

It doesn't matter what I consider trade. I'd like to see a Lacey Act charge on this. But the fact is that the whole point of Lacey was to take away the incentive for people to sell wild game meat and parts, which was a leading cause of the destruction of herds and was endangering species. The act is pretty specific in targeting trade in wild game across state borders. There could well be other laws which apply, but I don't think Lacey is one of them. I only play a lawyer on the internet, so it might apply. 

The AK guys (on another thread here) were charged with Lacey Act violations.  It seems a pretty similar set of circumstances, but I am not familiar with the nuances of Lacey Act jurisprudence.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/hunting-show-host-charged-poaching-alaska-33757764

The above is the one Curly is noting.  This is the Alwine/TSoM case.

The AK guys were guiding customers in......essentially selling access to game meat where they had no permit.

[Jonnyjammer]

I remember one with ted to it was in Alaska, Bear hunt.Att. general was on his case the min. he got off the plane but he didnt do what they say he did.I saw the vid. and he missed the bear completely and continued his hunt next day to get him a bear.Dont know the one about the deer.  He lost hunting for I think 1 or 2 years in Alaska over it.

[JDHasty]

In Ted Nugent's own words:

Why did you plead guilty in the Alaska case?

 

TN: “Just like in California, to fight the corrupt system would have bankrupted me, taken me away from my life support careers for God knows how long, and I don’t trust our court system. This Alaska charge was an unintentional technical violation of an unprecedented, never-before-heard of law, only in the southeast region of Alaska, where if your bullet or arrow shows any sign of hitting a bear, then your tag is invalidated. I still can’t find anyone who has ever heard of such a regulation, even amongst lifetime Alaska resident hunters, guides and outfitters, even the judge in Ketchikan stated on record during the court hearing that he had never heard of such a law. I was blindsided by this, and to my knowledge, the only person to ever be charged under this bizarre regulation.”

 

Did you have a blood trail on the first bear? How long did you look for it?

 

TN: “Yes, a minimal bloodtrail. My son and I, as always, searched diligently for many hours, even days. When we reviewed the tape in stop action, we realized that the arrow had actually glanced off the rib and not penetrated the animal. The animal was not hurt and certainly not killed.”

 

Did you know that Alaska had a law that stated that wounded equals a filled tag?

 

TN: “No. I’ve hunted for 60 years, 35 years in Alaska, and everyone knows that the universal tagging law everywhere has always been; “upon taking possession of the animal the tag must be applied.” This new, unprecedented regulation exists only in this southeast area of Alaska. I cannot find anyone who has ever heard of this rule.”

 

Will you hunt in Alaska again?

 

TN: “Absolutely, I love Alaska and the great people and hunting there.”

 

What do you have to say to the hunters who are now calling you a poacher?

 

TN: “I was raised to obey all laws, and I have throughout my life. I have never hunted without all the proper licenses, tags, permits, making certain I use the legal weapon, legal arrowhead, legal ammo, legal orange in the proper region. I have never hunted out of season or illegally after dark, nor have I ever knowingly broken any of the indescribable, outrageous volumes of strange, arbitrary, illogical, capricious game laws that exist. I am not a poacher, and people who claim that I am are small minded, shallow haters. My critics are mostly jealous because I am my own boss and have created an amazing quality of life for my family and myself through incredible hard work and dedication. You find someone who has a problem with me and you’re looking at an ignorant, cheap person. My supporters are legion, and the finest Americans there are. I am constantly invited to take terminally ill children on their last hunts, and to host the heroic wounded warriors of the US Military on hunting trips around the world. The absolute best of the best are on my side, so my detractors are exposed for the fools that they are. I couldn’t feel better about my real reputation and position in life.”



Read more: http://www.handgunsmag.com/blogs/sixguns-sagebrush/teds-own-words-on-the-alaska-incident/#ixzz3mPsszCUB

[Miles]

Matt seems to have disappeared from here and Facebook.  A guy who made an honest mistake usually doesn't tuck tail and run...

[JDHasty]

Matt seems to have disappeared from here and Facebook.  A guy who made an honest mistake usually doesn't tuck tail and run...

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner here   

[Rainier10]

This is him here correct? One of his last posts with a 300" bull from Montana.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,172574.msg2281268.html#msg2281268

This is just so disappointing.  Temptation is a terrible thing.  I really feel bad for him, we all stumble from time to time but to be in the spotlight like he was and make so many mistakes.  One time would be a whole lot easier to get over but there is obviously a pattern of this behavior.

[Bigshooter]

well thats fine unless they made a deal and we dont know about it,What do you say about the trespassing?Did he get what he could have for that to?

The charges came from the trespassing. 

[Jonnyjammer]

The charges came from trespassing.Yep and other things as well.He Got off pretty light.