Forest Service road destruction on King 5

[blackdog]

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/09/30/usfs-road-pilings-draw-criticism/73128860/

[luvmystang67]

Haha, I will say... it frustrates me to no end to come across 3 big ditches and a giant slash pile behind an already locked gate.

[blackdog]

Contact Reta Laford if this frustrates you. rlaford@fs.fed.us

[pianoman9701]

Thanks for the heads up and contact info, BD.

[timberfaller]

Well DUH!!!  been harping on this for years!!  Helped put roads in on this side of the mountains,  NO NEED what so ever to block them or destroy them!!

EXCEPT

for ONE reason,  To appease the Eco-Freak crowd

Just find a "contract" for a timber sale(getting scarcer by the day) or a fish project and READ it.

[blackdog]

So lets do something about it. 

[2MANY]

I wish they would lock every gate and close every road.

Far too many people and far too few places to go.

[Curly]

One of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen.  Paying to tear up road, place boulders and logs all over the roadway making it impossible for people and/or game to pass is just dumb.  I can see not wanting to maintain some roads and thus let them overgrow, but to waste time and effort to totally eliminate the roads?  That is asinine.   

[huntrights]

There is only one clear purpose for such destruction - To Keep People Out! It seems there are people that have power and influence in national, state and local agencies that have been promoting this type of destruction for several years.

We need laws at the national, state, and local levels to place strict controls over the practice of the wholesale destruction of roads such as this.  Congresswoman Jamie Herrera Beutler proposed a Roads-to-Trails approach around 2012; it's a good idea to prevent the destruction of roads that may be destine for decommissioning/destruction.  She had a considerable amount of information on the subject. 

Unless we push back with a united voice, the destruction and blockading of access to our public lands and waters will continue.  What you saw in the video clip has occurred on other roads on our public lands.  Similar actions like dumping large boulders along the road beds, digging moguls, cutting saplings and crisscrossing them on the road bed, or a variety of other destruction and blockade methodologies are turning road beds into areas that are nearly impossible for man or large animals to traverse safely.  Deer, elk, and other ungulates will take the easier routes unless spooked and or forced to do otherwise; these destroyed paths are not friendly to man nor beast.

Blocking access to our public lands negatively affects hunters, anglers, hikers, campers, and all people that participate in any kind of recreation in the outdoors.

[timberfaller]

"It seems there are people that have power and influence in national, state and local agencies that have been promoting this type of destruction for several years."

Its is called the "Federal Employee's Union" 

and

All your Eco-freak groups "Attorneys"

They got their foot in the door back in the 70's,  They now have just a generic "form letter" which at the first sign of something happening at any level of Forest activity, A "Injunction" is filed within 24 hours!

Until there is a way to get "third party law suits" against said attorney's YOU nor I will be able to do anything about it.

The only way the USFS can put out a timber sale around where I live, it to put it in an area that doesn't need to be logged(roads all ready exist and timber harvested earlier).  Then and only then,  so many miles of roads have to be "de-commissioned" will they even consider allowing the USFS to put it out for bid.   100% denial(court injunction filed) will occur if, in the "plans" for the sale have "road building" to allow access to harvest-able timber.

Again its ALL about "appeasing" the Eco-Freaks!  Has nothing to do with what is right and wise management.

How is that possible to state?   When a district is BROKE financially, can't maintain a "trail crew", close campgrounds and do early retirement buy outs,  BUT gets $$$$$$$$$ directly from DC earmarked for "road dis-mantle-ling"  its NOT rocket science!! 

[logger]

This burns my ass to no end!! I see it all the time, We have no funding! B.S! sitting on thousands of acres of funding, all the sales I have for them have road abandament icluded as part of the sale, sometimes 30 miles away, They just dug up 6 48in. culverts out of a perfectly good road that was well rocked, the reason, they don't have the money to maintain the road, yet they had the 150,000 to pull the pipes.  frustrates me beyond belief

[CAMPMEAT]

It's just a way for the, eco-greenies, to burn the forests up by blocking roads and being able to close them permanently.

[dscubame]

I wish they would lock every gate and close every road.

Far too many people and far too few places to go.

Totally agree.  Love seeing tank ditched reclaimed roads.  Less roads the better especially for elk.

[huntrights]

No roads means no access for hunting, game retrieval, fishing, camping, cross-country skiing, horseback riding, etc.  Everybody gets to park in parking lots if they are available or at the sides of the open roads if there is room; this includes all the people that think the roads should be closed and destroyed.  Youth, elderly, and the disabled can forget about recreation in the outdoors because they can't get in. When a person is in their prime, full of energy, and physically capable, they can hike 20 miles in and out.  Take note where the elk and deer trails are after a road has been destroyed; they're not over the ditches. moguls, boulders, and log piles; they're on the smoothest, least disturbed part of the road path remaining.  We all lose.

There is lots of wilderness without roads for those who wish to go there.   However, they should be physically and psychologically prepared, have the appropriate training, knowledge, and appropriate equipment, and be willing to make the trek.

Closing and destroying roads is a great way to destroy hunting, fishing, camping, and most outdoor recreation activities; the anti-hunters and environmental extremists love it.

[CAMPMEAT]

No roads means no access for hunting, game retrieval, fishing, camping, cross-country skiing, horseback riding, etc.  Everybody gets to park in parking lots if they are available or at the sides of the open roads if there is room; this includes all the people that think the roads should be closed and destroyed.  Youth, elderly, and the disabled can forget about recreation in the outdoors because they can't get in. When a person is in their prime, full of energy, and physically capable, they can hike 20 miles in and out.  Take note where the elk and deer trails are after a road has been destroyed; they're not over the ditches. moguls, boulders, and log piles; they're on the smoothest, least disturbed part of the road path remaining.  We all lose.

There is lots of wilderness without roads for those who wish to go there.   However, they should be physically and psychologically prepared, have the appropriate training, knowledge, and appropriate equipment, and be willing to make the trek.

Closing and destroying roads is a great way to destroy hunting, fishing, camping, and most outdoor recreation activities; the anti-hunters and environmental extremists love it.

I'm sure happy you brought up the disabled. All these selfish hunters always want it their way, sorry, it don't work that way anymore. I bought an ATV to ride because I CANNOT hike anymore. I think they need to open MORE roads...