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Here is the quote of the day (from the WSP investigation of WDFW):"I don't -- well things are -- again, things are done differently at Fish & Wildlife than they're done in a professional law enforcement agency."- WDFW Chief Bruce Bjork (retired)
CrazyI know Lee and Phillips.
Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?
Pretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.
Quote from: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 12:44:02 PMCan a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.
Quote from: Wacenturion on January 16, 2016, 01:11:16 PMPretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.Or even considering what the agency used to be. I really had high hopes when Director Anderson retired and Unsworth came in, but I now have virtually no hope that things will change for the better. I guess I have to accept the fact that the good guys don't always win.
Quote from: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 01:09:25 PMQuote from: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 12:44:02 PMCan a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried.
Quote from: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 01:29:16 PMQuote from: Wacenturion on January 16, 2016, 01:11:16 PMPretty sad......considering what the Agency could be. It was going downhill a few years before I retired. Looks like it continued to get worse.Or even considering what the agency used to be. I really had high hopes when Director Anderson retired and Unsworth came in, but I now have virtually no hope that things will change for the better. I guess I have to accept the fact that the good guys don't always win. I always used to say that there were two types of WDFW employees. They were either self interest types or public interest types. Far more public types in WDFW than the former, but unfortunately while all the public types are trying to do good things for the public, the selfie's are doing nothing but playing the devil's advocate, go to meetings and put on the knowlegable question cloaks, while softly stabbing others who are doing the right things in the back.You know the drill as well as me. Rumors start that have no basis and they grow like a cancer with these ego type wanna be controllers. Too bad WDFW has progressed to this state of affairs. My assessment, and I'm sure you agree, is that if a new Director has the qualifications to first get the job, then comes in and in the short term (1st year) can't figure out what I alluded to above, he or she has no business being in that position, period. It all comes from the top. You either have ethics and the you know what to go with them, or quite frankly you don't, and therefore you're just another imposter wasting everyone's time and resources, like many before you.I put a lot blame on the Commission. They've always been somewhat politcal and favoring management, rather than acting responsible and correctiong things at the top when needed. But then, what the heck do I know. I only spent 30+ years there. I might add, working with and having cross divisional support from co-workers like yourself was always greatly appreciated. That's why things worked.
Quote from: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 02:13:41 PMQuote from: ucwarden on January 16, 2016, 01:09:25 PMQuote from: Oh Mah on January 16, 2016, 12:44:02 PMCan a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives. That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done. The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine. I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions. All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need. So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. Why did I put it up? I put in on the website to show Sgt. Phillips perspective of the WDFW enforcement administration, and the boating accident was only one piece of what I posted.I am sure that if you were ever in a firefight or other use of deadly force, while you were in combat, you wouldn't have appreciated having you tactics, procedures, and decisions second-guessed and evaluated by a group of people who have never been in that situation. Life and death decisions are always tough and we all know once the decision has been made; it's over. All the what if's on earth won't bring the boy back. That is all I have for you on this subject, as I don't want to really debate it any further.
