Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration

[ucwarden]

Can a poll be started from this point in the thread?A poll about who here would have done the drowning incident differently,the same.Don't know wasn't their can't rightfully say what i would have done.Or would a new thread need to be started?

As always, I respect everyone's right to speak their minds and offer their perspectives.  That being said, I personally have no desire to hear people, who weren't there, say what they would have done or what should have been done.  The three officers involved in that incident are all good friends of mine.  I know them well, and I am proud to call them friends, and I stand 100% behind their decisions.  All three are courageous and I am certain they wouldn't hesitate to put themselves in harm's way, if they felt they had a chance of helping someone in need.  So, respectively, I don't really want to hear what other people think about the choices those officers made.

With all due respect why did you put it up?I don't want to say i would have done this or i would have done that in this scenario but i will tell you that as a combat vet,We never leave a person behind dead or alive,Only a select few can say a person is dead and until then you treat it all as though they were alive and do all you can to try to save that person.COPS,FIREMAN,DOCTORS,NURSES, TEACHERS,COAST GUARD,ARMY NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES AND WARDENS YOU NAME IT, SO SORRY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.The women tried. 

Why did I put it up?  I put in on the website to show Sgt. Phillips perspective of the WDFW enforcement administration, and the boating accident was only one piece of what I posted.
I am sure that if you were ever in a firefight or other use of deadly force, while you were in combat, you wouldn't have appreciated having you tactics, procedures, and decisions second-guessed and evaluated by a group of people who have never been in that situation.  Life and death decisions are always tough and we all know once the decision has been made; it's over.  All the what if's on earth won't bring the boy back. 

That is all I have for you on this subject, as I don't want to really debate it any further.

OF COURSE NOT(that would be counter productive to the cause),NO PROBLEM.I read the entire thing.The boating thing was just the first of a few but ill let it go as i can see you don't want any opinions that don't match yours. Thank you.

That's a pretty cheap shot, and not at all accurate.  What I don't want to hear is evaluations of tactics and decisions, regarding a life and death situation, in-which the people making the comments do not have the complete background nor the experience/intelligence to fairly evaluate that situation.  I am totally open to listening to anyone's opinion, but I am not going to agree with your idea of having a poll to vote on how these officers did.  If you want to discuss this in-depth, please email me at:  ucwarden@gmail.com  but we willing to identify yourself to me.

[Oh Mah]

I took it off but I don't think it was a cheap shot at all.I read it with an open mind when done i gave an unbiased opinion and you didn't like it sorry.We are evaluated by people that have never done what we all do all the time.Now i am not saying that these people need to be disciplined.but some of this stuff in there is pretty petty,We wear shirts all the time that say F.B.I calling me Indian is a compliment.You did not like my opinion that is your right.

Maybe i missed something have you identified yourself?

[Skillet]

Oh Mah, you are coming in late to this topic, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - but you clearly don't have the perspective needed to be questioning ucwarden's intentions here.  I was a skeptic at first myself, but came to realize ucwarden's efforts are not only justified but beyond reproach considering the subject matter.  Please do some reading and research and then if you feel the need to question ucwarden's motives, feel free

[ucwarden]

Oh Mah, you are coming in late to this topic, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - but you clearly don't have the perspective needed to be questioning ucwarden's intentions here.  I was a skeptic at first myself, but came to realize ucwarden's efforts are not only justified but beyond reproach considering the subject matter.  Please do some reading and research and them off you feel the need to question ucwarden's motives, feel free

Thank you sir

[Oh Mah]

I'm gonna step away, try to pull foot out of mouth.Sorry to all especially you Mr warden

[ucwarden]

I'm gonna step away, try to pull foot out of mouth.Sorry to all especially you Mr warden

No, don't step away.  We simply got off on the wrong foot.  I really do respect other's opinions, it's just a couple of things;
1) There have been a couple of "plants" on here, trying to discredit me and my cause.  Anyone who has followed this, have seen it.
2) I am a staunch advocate of anyone who has to make an instant decision, which is later second-guessed to death.  If you have ever been in a critical incident, you understand that the officers spend thousands of hours milling the incident over and over in their minds, and these types of after-the-fact evaluations never help.  I tend to be awfully protective of the good guys in life.

Last; I want to sincerely thank you for your service to our country. 
So, let's start over.  Read a bunch of the documents on www.wdfwinvestigation.com , then join back into this thread.

[Oh Mah]

As i stated in the pm to you sir im not a plant just an uninformed person that should have known more on this topic than i did.I apologize to you and every one reading this thread and .I should not have said anything until i knew more about it.

[ucwarden]

As i stated in the pm to you sir im not a plant just an uninformed person that should have known more on this topic than i did.I apologize to you and every one reading this thread and .I should not have said anything until i knew more about it.

It's all good.  Do some reading, then jump back on here.  This whole forum was provided to all of us, thanks to one generous guy, so we could all openly discuss topics.  This topic is very very important, and I welcome different perspectives and ideas.  That's the whole idea behind a discussion forum.   So please, don't let this discourage your participation.

When I first started on here (I had never been on a forum in my life), I got blasted by a couple of guys who thought I was only on here to peddle my book.  But the more I was on here the more people came around, and I have now received a great deal of help from many participants in this forum.  So please, keep with us.

[Skyhigh]

I just completed watching "making a murderer" this WDFW stuff rivals the corruption in that documentary.

[ucwarden]

I just completed watching "making a murderer" this WDFW stuff rivals the corruption in that documentary.

Haven't see "making a murderer" yet, but if it's like what we have been through over the last decade, I'm not sure I want to see it.  The WDFW drama has been enough for a lifetime.

[Oh Mah]

I have read a few now UCWARDEN,None are saying where they are now in the investigation,Is this finalized started over again or what?.There is a lot of reading.There is a lot of corruption i can see that after just reading some of the interviews.  OR DO I JUST HAVE TO READ AND WAIT?

[ucwarden]

I have read a few now UCWARDEN,None are saying where they are now in the investigation,Is this finalized started over again or what?.There is a lot of reading.There is a lot of corruption i can see that after just reading some of the interviews.  OR DO I JUST HAVE TO READ AND WAIT?

It is a very long story, but since it's halftime (on the game I'm watching), here is the short version:
In 2012 the officer's guild sent the director a bunch of allegations (mostly against Deputy Chief Mike Cenci).  After a very long time, the director finally started an investigation, but he did so by hiring some private attorney from Seattle (Amy Stephson).  In March 2013, Stephson came out with her finding, and many of us felt it was an incomplete, biased, white-wash. 
In the meantime, I retired (at the end of 2012), and they then terminated Officer Dave Jones (a friend of mine and good officer).  Firing Dave forced me into gear.  I wrote and published a book (Operation CODY), which detailed the wrong-doing in WDFW enforcement.
I then took on the role of spearheading a group effort to get attention to the very serious issues within WDFW enforcement.  I have submitted many many PDR's (Public Disclosure Requests) to WDFW and have worked to disseminate that information.  I have testified before a WA Senate Committee on the problems, have been interviewed by the media, and started a website.....all in an effort to get rid of the corrupt and improve work conditions for the brave men and women who protect our natural resources. 
As a result of our work, we finally convinced the new director to have the WA State Patrol investigate WDFW enforcement, but unfortunately the deputy director limited the scope of that investigation.  None the less, the material which has come from that WSP investigation, and the transcript of Officer Dave Jones' successful appeal of his termination, has been shocking.  The corruption and wrong-doing is now well documented, but unfortunately has not yet been addressed at all by the administration (Director Unsworth) at all.

There you go.

[Skyhigh]

Do watch making of a murderer, it scares me folks like you and officer jones could fall victim through planting evidence against you. After watching the documentary you will completely understand.

[ucwarden]

Do watch making of a murderer, it scares me folks like you and officer jones could fall victim through planting evidence against you. After watching the documentary you will completely understand.

I'll give it a try

[Oh Mah]

Crazy,It seems like it is an air tight case (sexual harassment,Sexism) to mention the easiest ones.I wonder if this goes higher in the system then just the DFW.Who all is being protected here?