collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration  (Read 187253 times)

Offline Gamblin Guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2007
  • Posts: 595
  • Location: Monroe/Snohomish
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #285 on: February 10, 2016, 08:01:34 AM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

Offline Wacenturion

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (-1)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Apr 2008
  • Posts: 6040
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #286 on: February 10, 2016, 08:34:35 AM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

Appointed by the Commission.  Not that that is an improvement mind you.
"About the time you realize that your father was a smart man, you have a teenager telling you just how stupid you are."

Offline Gamblin Guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2007
  • Posts: 595
  • Location: Monroe/Snohomish
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #287 on: February 10, 2016, 09:35:56 AM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

Appointed by the Commission.  Not that that is an improvement mind you.

Agreed....Commission appointed by the Gov...... 

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #288 on: February 10, 2016, 01:32:12 PM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers.  I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.

Offline Vine Maples and Cottonwoo

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Tracker
  • **
  • Join Date: Dec 2015
  • Posts: 33
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #289 on: February 10, 2016, 06:34:55 PM »
This may explain a few things. Found this in an article on the Idaho Wolf Issue:

http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/

 Particularly this portion at the end of the article-

 There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.

 Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.

 They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.

It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.

Offline idahohuntr

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 3608
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #290 on: February 10, 2016, 08:16:59 PM »
This may explain a few things. Found this in an article on the Idaho Wolf Issue:

http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/

 Particularly this portion at the end of the article-

 There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.

 Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.

 They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.

It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.
I wouldn't put any faith in any garbage printed by Floridian Tom Remington...the guy is clueless.

Unsworth is not a plant and there is no conspiracy...maybe politics...and maybe unknowns.  I too am disappointed he has not fired some officers from wdfw. 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - TR

Offline Elkaholic daWg

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 6080
  • Location: Arlington Wa / Rock n Roll-Kelly Hill
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #291 on: February 11, 2016, 04:48:08 AM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers.  I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.
Which make YOU and those like minded make the BEST enforcement officers in my opinion.
 
Blue Ribbon Coalition
CCRKBA
SAF
NRA                        
Go DaWgs!!

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #292 on: February 11, 2016, 06:20:50 AM »
This may explain a few things. Found this in an article on the Idaho Wolf Issue:

http://tomremington.com/2015/03/27/...oners-inherited-is-not-wildlife-conservation/

 Particularly this portion at the end of the article-

 There was no mention in the Permit of a plan being drafted. In fact a state wolf plan was not approved by the Idaho Legislature until 7-1/2 years later. Yet instead of admitting it violated Idaho law in its Timeline, IDFG blames the legislature and, by inference, the minority members of the Wolf Oversight Committee for the fact that it did not get to manage wolves sooner.

 Even after Conley was forced to resign, given six months severance pay and hired as Director of the Missouri Conservation Dept., his co-conspirators in IDFG continued to sacrifice elk and deer to protect wolves and promote non-consumptive wildlife recreation. During the past nine years 11 IDFG Department heads, including Ex-Deputy Director Jim Unsworth and Sharon Kiefer, have taken a special nine-month course including two weeks at the FWS MAT training center in Shepherdstown W. Va.

 They are now part of an elite national team of NCLI Fellows you will read about in The Outdoorsman.

It may well be that he is a plant, whose bosses are somewhere other than Olympia, who is here to facilitate an agenda. Who knows.

One major thing wrong with this theory; nobody in state government can keep a secret. 
No conspiracy here, just corruption, laziness, and incompetence

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #293 on: February 11, 2016, 06:23:37 AM »
Just another example of a poorly managed agency with a director appointed by the gov....DOT....Corrections....DSHS.....

What makes this different is that the guys at the center of this are all law enforcement officers in-charge of many more law enforcement officers.  I have always believed that those in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, but these guys aren't being held accountable at all.
Which make YOU and those like minded make the BEST enforcement officers in my opinion.

Thanks, but it's just common-sense.  Who can anyone make a living, enforcing the rules, when they break the rules so freely themselves.  It makes me sick.  At a time when LE officers already have enough people criticizing their every steps, now we have inept and corrupt leadership with no accountability. 

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #294 on: February 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM »
A lot of new material has just been posted on www.wdfwinvestigation.com   I think everyone will be shocked by how bad it has gotten, yet there have been no changes made to the wdfw enforcement administration what-so-ever. Check the "Hot off the press" section.

Offline trophyhunt

  • Forum Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2008
  • Posts: 19965
  • Location: Wetside
  • Groups: Wa Wild Sheep Life Member
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #295 on: February 24, 2016, 04:28:29 PM »
A lot of new material has just been posted on www.wdfwinvestigation.com   I think everyone will be shocked by how bad it has gotten, yet there have been no changes made to the wdfw enforcement administration what-so-ever. Check the "Hot off the press" section.
:bash: Maybe calling Jessie from the news isn't a bad idea?  Have you tried other news outlets?
“In common with”..... not so much!!

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #296 on: February 24, 2016, 04:36:12 PM »
A lot of new material has just been posted on www.wdfwinvestigation.com   I think everyone will be shocked by how bad it has gotten, yet there have been no changes made to the wdfw enforcement administration what-so-ever. Check the "Hot off the press" section.
:bash: Maybe calling Jessie from the news isn't a bad idea?  Have you tried other news outlets?
I am working with a couple of media folks right now, but they move almost as slowly as Director Unsworth.

Offline bigtex

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 10658
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #297 on: February 24, 2016, 04:38:42 PM »
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.

But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.

Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program.  :twocents:

Offline SnakeEyes

  • Real Estate Broker
  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Scout
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2009
  • Posts: 422
  • Location: La Center, WA
    • John L Scott Real Estate
  • Groups: Washington for Wildlife
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #298 on: February 24, 2016, 05:15:56 PM »
I just sent Director Unsworth another e-mail. Thanks for the update.
Steve Marshall - John L Scott Real Estate

Selling Homes and Acreage in SW Washington

Offline ucwarden

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2013
  • Posts: 1112
  • Location: lacey, washington
Re: Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration
« Reply #299 on: February 24, 2016, 07:41:15 PM »
In the legislators email it mentioned how they really have no ability to fire Cenci, Crown, etc and it is all up to Unsworth and they have no authority over him. That's true.

But maybe it's time to penalize WDFW until action is taken. Pearson is in charge of the Natural Resource Committee, he determines which bills get a hearing, get a committee vote and move on. Maybe it's time for him to essentially kill all WDFW related bills that come to his committee. Will it hurt WDFW, sportsman, and maybe even the resource? Sure, but that seems to be the only way to get something done.

Maybe Pearson just has to hold WDFW hostage by delaying their legislation and basically telling Unsworth that nothing will change legislatively until things change in the Enforcement Program.  :twocents:

I certainly would seem to be the only possible way to force the change, which absolutely must occur; for the good of the WDFW employees, the license buyers, and the natural resources. 

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

My first blacktail! by hunter399
[Today at 05:41:00 AM]


2025 Montana alternate list by bear
[Today at 04:40:03 AM]


Restraining Order to Prevent Sherman Wolf Removal by huntnphool
[Today at 12:06:09 AM]


I bought this beater Win 06 as a scrapper outer, it turned into a fixer upper by Rigby416
[Yesterday at 11:09:17 PM]


Getting the hang of hanging on to mallards! by metlhead
[Yesterday at 09:21:59 PM]


It was a great year by St.Clair5x5
[Yesterday at 09:12:58 PM]


F150 Ecoboost Guys by HntnFsh
[Yesterday at 08:39:07 PM]


North Idaho 2025 Rifle Bull by bearhunter99
[Yesterday at 07:45:44 PM]


Pathfinder's Opening Day Deer by bigmacc
[Yesterday at 07:12:41 PM]


3 pintails by metlhead
[Yesterday at 06:41:21 PM]


New property cams checked by Dan-o
[Yesterday at 06:21:13 PM]


CB Radio Hints and Tips, Installing guidance. by ghosthunter
[Yesterday at 05:42:29 PM]


Rifle Hunting Elk Western WA by mikey549
[Yesterday at 05:38:52 PM]


Multi season elk by teanawayslayer
[Yesterday at 03:42:08 PM]


HUNTNNW 2025 trail cam thread and photos by teanawayslayer
[Yesterday at 03:32:31 PM]


2025 blacktail rut thread by highside74
[Yesterday at 01:12:42 PM]


Anti-fog for glass by MonstroMuley
[Yesterday at 12:20:25 PM]


Hoyt Satori Recurve RH by Sammyboiburtis
[Yesterday at 12:08:36 PM]


Shadypass road / fs5900 closed by NOCK NOCK
[Yesterday at 12:03:44 PM]


Whats your play by Billy74
[Yesterday at 12:00:20 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal