Investigation of WDFW Enforcement Administration

[ucwarden]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief. 

[bearpaw]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

That's unfortunate, I sure hate to see the good guys harassed and quiting. 

[Wacenturion]

But...

At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......

Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table.  That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you.  Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable.  Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.   

[ucwarden]

But...

At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......

Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table.  That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you.  Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable.  Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.   

I can't figure out what is going on.  Why bother with the full WA State Patrol investigation, if they are just going to ignore the findings and keep things status quo? 

[Wacenturion]

But...

At the same time, when you are new and in charge, you often get to get away with bigger changes early.......

Exactly.....you bring your own game to the table.  That's is what apparently impressed the commission enough to hire you.  Or it could be the reverse.....expressed the same old, same old, don't rock the boat type interview which made the commission feel comfortable.  Either way, another dud at this point....JMO.   

I can't figure out what is going on.  Why bother with the full WA State Patrol investigation, if they are just going to ignore the findings and keep things status quo?

Maybe to put on the appearance of doing something then not having enough grounds to proceed with any action....sound familiar....i.e FBI.....Hillary....

[bigtex]

Bigtex:  Since you seem to have the inside line on all things WDFW; in your opinion is there any chance Director Unsworth will actually make a decision on the enforcement chief within the next year?  Crown left in mid-June (I think) and was "temporarily" replaced by Cenci supporter Chris Anderson, who is still acting chief.  Nothing will ever improve without a different chief, and it certainly won't improve with the personnel they have in-place at present.  So, do you see any hope of WDFW getting a permanent chief who is ethical and moral, or are the officers of WDFW facing more of the same for the foreseeable future?

Sure doesn't seem like it!

Not sure what the problem is. Lack of qualified applicants? More pressing issues? Just simply slow on pulling the trigger?

The job opened May 25th (applicants can still apply). First screening began to occur July 10th. A month and a half later and still nothing....I've seen big city PD Chief jobs get filled quicker than this. I wouldn't expect there to be a ton of applicants simply because it's not your typical law enforcement agency. But it taking this long is odd.

[bigtex]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

[Bango skank]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

Well said

[Odell]

At this point I think the best we can hope for is a new Governor. Get everyone you know to vote for Bill Bryant

[ucwarden]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before.  Then we have the same problem all over again.

[huntnphool]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"?

 It's been 7.5 years for Obama.

[bigtex]

At this point I think the best we can hope for is a new Governor. Get everyone you know to vote for Bill Bryant

I really don't even know how much that would help. WDFW isn't a cabinet level department which lessens the amount of oversight the Governor has. As an example the Governor can fire any of his 25 or so cabinet level agency directors, he cant really do that to the agency directors who report to commissions (at least not as easily) such as WDFW, Parks, or the Liquor Board. Those agency directors report to a commission who is appointed by the Governor.

If we want to put pressure on people other than Unsworth it should be the WDFW Commission.

[bigtex]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before.  Then we have the same problem all over again.

I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"

[ucwarden]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before.  Then we have the same problem all over again.

I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"

Kinda like when Cenci demoted to captain, then promoted back to deputy chief without even interviewing, or when they did a "nation-wide search" for chief and found the very best candidate in the whole world was in the office right next door to Cenci and Bjork?

[bigtex]

Replacing Anderson with him was certainly a lateral move.

I have to disagree.  Unsworth is at least heading in the right direction, just very slowly.  He at least got the WA State Patrol to finally conduct an investigation of some of our allegations, which is far more than Anderson ever did.  Also; Crown is gone, and I suspect Unsworth may have had something to do with that.  So, although he isn't doing things fast enough for all of us, there is hope!

I like being optimistic whenever possible. You've got to remember that Unsworth is new to WA and even if he wants to make changes he needs to do it in stride so as to not turn too many people against him by acting too swiftly. I don't know what he thinks I can only guess, but I would think he wants to clean things up a bit and get the WDFW acting more in unity again. With that said, if I was him I would be making the changes slowly too. 

I am all for going slowly and carefully, but Unsworth is at the point now that I think someone should check and see if he even has a pulse.  The problem with taking this long, is they are certainly going to lose more good officers as the harassment and retaliation continues, while everyone waits for a new chief.

I agree with Todd. The longer it takes the worse it will get. Swift action needs to be taken. Unsworth has been with WDFW for about a year and a half, how long are we still going to the play the "well he's still new game"? He stepped into a job where big decisions need to be taken from day 1, and in terms of the Enforcement Program he has proven to show he cant make a single decision at all.

It will sure be interesting to see if Anderson really leaves the "acting chief" position in mid-September, or if he will decide to stick around and fill the job permanently without any real screening process, which has been done there before.  Then we have the same problem all over again.

I wonder the same. I can see it now..."Chris Anderson named Chief after leading Enforcement Program in interim role for past 4 months"

Kinda like when Cenci demoted to captain, then promoted back to deputy chief without even interviewing, or when they did a "nation-wide search" for chief and found the very best candidate in the whole world was in the office right next door to Cenci and Bjork?

Yup. Apparently Crown can become Chief after only really supervising Myers in a role he created in Olympia. Crown needed help as Training Lt, yet nobody before or since him needed it. Then Myers gets the Region 4 Captain job after never supervising anyone.

Apparently if you want to promote/supervise higher up in WDFW you shouldn't work your way up, just apply for the top jobs and you'll get it....