Gun Rights Advocates have a devastating new argument against gun control

[GrainfedMuley]

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Gun Rights Advocates Have A Devastating New Argument Against Gun Control. Here It Is.
Written by Kurt Schlichter


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 American gun owners are beginning to respond with a fresh, powerful argument when facing anti-gun liberals. Here it is, in its entirety. Ready?

“Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.”

It’s not exactly a traditional argument, but it’s certainly appropriate here. The fact is that there is no point in arguing with liberal gun-control advocates because their argument is never in good faith. They slander gun owners as murderers. They lie about their ultimate aim, which is to ban and confiscate all privately owned weapons. And they adopt a pose of reasonability, yet their position is not susceptible to change because of evidence, facts or law. None of those matter – they already have their conclusion. This has to do with power – their power.

 You can’t argue with someone who is lying about his position or whose position is not based upon reason. You can talk all day about how crime has diminished where concealed carry is allowed, while it flourishes in Democrat blue cities where gun control is tightest. You can point to statistics showing that law-abiding citizens who carry legally are exponentially less likely to commit gun crimes than other people. You can cite examples of armed citizens protecting themselves and their communities with guns. You can offer government statistics showing how the typical American is at many times greater risk of death from an automobile crash, a fall, or poisoning than from murder by gun.

 But none of that matters, because this debate is not about facts. It’s about power. The liberal anti-gun narrative is not aimed at creating the best public policy but at disarming citizens the liberal elite looks down upon – and for whom weapons represent their last-ditch ability to respond to liberal overreach.

 Put simply, liberal elitists don’t like the fact that, at the end of the day, an armed citizenry can tell them, “No.”

So they argue in bad faith, shamelessly lying, libeling their opponents, and hiding their real endgame. Sure, sometimes the mask slips and a liberal politician like Mike Bloomberg or Diane Feinstein reveals their true agenda, but mostly they stay on-message.

 For example, Barack Obama, who always tries to reassure us bitter clingers that he doesn’t want to take our guns, speaks longingly about the Australian plan – which was confiscation of most viable defensive weapons from the civilian population.

 Obama is lying – about gay marriage, about your doctor – and he is likewise lying about guns. The minute he could disarm every American civilian he would, something particularly alarming in light of his pal Bill Ayers’ infamous observation that ‘fundamentally transforming’ America would require killing at least 25 million citizens.

 No wonder free Americans are done pretending the gun argument is a rational debate and are responding with an extended middle finger – and the challenge to come and take their arms. The fact remains that any outright attempt to take the arms from tens of millions of American gun owners would almost certainly result in a second Civil War. And we all know how the first Civil War went for the Democrats.

 So, through a campaign of shaming, dissembling, and outright slander, liberals are trying to talk Americans into giving up their weapons voluntarily. There’s always another “common sense” restriction to enact, spurred on by a tragedy that the last “common sense” restriction didn’t prevent and that the proposed new “common sense” restriction would not have prevented. They want to do it in baby steps, and with our cooperation, since they cannot do it by force.

 There are a few people arguing in good faith, but it’s too late. Liberal writer Kurt Eichenwald recently wrote a “compromise” proposal to settle the gun issue that was notable because he actually analyzed gun freedom arguments and agreed with some of them. He cited the silliness of the “assault weapons” and “cop killer” bullet lies. While he still rejects 30 round capacity magazines, he began with opposition to silencers and then, after hearing facts and evidence from knowledgeable gun owners, changed his position. That’s good faith, the threshold requirement for a real debate, but Eichenwald mistakenly assumes this is a debate based upon reason between good faith opponents. It’s not. It’s based upon the desire of liberals for total supremacy.

 So until the gun control argument becomes a real argument instead of a transparent power grab, there’s only one appropriate response to liberal gun banners. And it’s similar to “Screw you.”
 

The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *censored*s." - Claire Wolfe

[timberfaller]

The "gun debate" has ALWAYS been about socialist "control" not FACTS or reality.   FACTS only make Liberals go mad.

Sad part is there are a lot of "gun owners" who are so ignorant they STILL will cast a vote for a Democrat(socialist) even in today's "information age"!

[Fl0und3rz]

That’s good faith, the threshold requirement for a real debate, but Eichenwald mistakenly assumes this is a debate based upon reason between good faith opponents. It’s not. It’s based upon the desire of liberals for total supremacy.

Kurt Schlichter is a great American.

[pianoman9701]

I don't think the "screw you" argument is helpful. The anti-gun people have turned this conversation into an "Us v. Them" conversation and the "screw you" retort supports that conversation. It's much the same as the politicians on both sides have done with the discussion of politics in general and created the great divide between Rs & Ds, when in reality most of us are ideologically far closer together. They've convinced their scared-to-death followers that the people who own guns are actually advocates of the violence perpetrated by the madmen, madmen who make no such distinction and will kill people regardless of their views on the 2nd Amendment. I posted a couple of weeks ago that a female friend in OR had said on Facebook that she wanted to carry because she didn't want to be in a position like the people at Umpqua CC without a gun. One of the people responding to her post said "If you do that, THEY win." By using the word "they", the poster was lumping together not only those of us who support our rights, but those who kill with guns. And, the ultra-liberal left politicians have convinced them that this is right. I think we need to change the conversation and we can't do that by clamming up and saying "screw you". I believe the only way to convince the anti-gun sheep is to show them facts and illustrate to them the reasons why responsible gun ownership is necessary to maintain our liberty; that voluntarily allowing our government to disarm us has never worked out well for any society ever..

[westsidehntr]

"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."
 

I don't think the "screw you" argument is helpful. The anti-gun people have turned this conversation into an "Us v. Them" conversation and the "screw you" retort supports that conversation. It's much the same as the politicians on both sides have done with the discussion of politics in general and created the great divide between Rs & Ds, when in reality most of us are ideologically far closer together. They've convinced their scared-to-death followers that the people who own guns are actually advocates of the violence perpetrated by the madmen, madmen who make no such distinction and will kill people regardless of their views on the 2nd Amendment. I posted a couple of weeks ago that a female friend in OR had said on Facebook that she wanted to carry because she didn't want to be in a position like the people at Umpqua CC without a gun. One of the people responding to her post said "If you do that, THEY win." By using the word "they", the poster was lumping together not only those of us who support our rights, but those who kill with guns. And, the ultra-liberal left politicians have convinced them that this is right. I think we need to change the conversation and we can't do that by clamming up and saying "screw you". I believe the only way to convince the anti-gun sheep is to show them facts and illustrate to them the reasons why responsible gun ownership is necessary to maintain our liberty; that voluntarily allowing our government to disarm us has never worked out well for any society ever..

I agree with you Pman, but I think its so impossible to convince enough idiots of the truth that I lean towards the "screw you" method

[pianoman9701]

I hear you. It's terribly frustrating.

[GrainfedMuley]

I believe the only way to convince the anti-gun sheep is to show them facts and illustrate to them the reasons why responsible gun ownership is necessary to maintain our liberty; that voluntarily allowing our government to disarm us has never worked out well for any society ever..

You want facts? Refer to my thread, PEW; gun deaths down 30%

[Gobble]

This is pretty much my current tactic while dealing with Libs and anti-hunters, I battle them dialy in newspaper blogs over here on the wetside. We will never change their minds or their stance but yet they are in full frontal attack on our rights as hunters and the 2nd amendment. I'm done trying to reason with them and play nice, I try to shame them back into their holes, these people will stop at nothing to take away everything we believe in, there is a urgent renewed battle to get things pushed thru government before numbnuts leaves office, I will not go down without a fight, we need to push these meatheads back into irrelavance and stand up for our rights!

[Netminder01]

The strategy needed to to combat the lack of facts begins with a social content strategy across many channels (web/video/mobile/social) and across many different demographic regions. The only way sentiment will begin to change and it's the very tactic being used today from the anti-gun side and the way the election will be won too.

[pianoman9701]

I believe the only way to convince the anti-gun sheep is to show them facts and illustrate to them the reasons why responsible gun ownership is necessary to maintain our liberty; that voluntarily allowing our government to disarm us has never worked out well for any society ever..

You want facts? Refer to my thread, PEW; gun deaths down 30%

I saw that, thanks.

[Bob33]

Stereotypes. “We” and “them”. I know several gun owners who do more harm than good for our cause. I know many non-gun owners who are reasonable individuals, and who have changed their opinions when presented with information in a factual, non-confrontational manner.

[Igor]

I don't think the "screw you" argument is helpful. The anti-gun people have turned this conversation into an "Us v. Them" conversation and the "screw you" retort supports that conversation. It's much the same as the politicians on both sides have done with the discussion of politics in general and created the great divide between Rs & Ds, when in reality most of us are ideologically far closer together. They've convinced their scared-to-death followers that the people who own guns are actually advocates of the violence perpetrated by the madmen, madmen who make no such distinction and will kill people regardless of their views on the 2nd Amendment. I posted a couple of weeks ago that a female friend in OR had said on Facebook that she wanted to carry because she didn't want to be in a position like the people at Umpqua CC without a gun. One of the people responding to her post said "If you do that, THEY win." By using the word "they", the poster was lumping together not only those of us who support our rights, but those who kill with guns. And, the ultra-liberal left politicians have convinced them that this is right. I think we need to change the conversation and we can't do that by clamming up and saying "screw you". I believe the only way to convince the anti-gun sheep is to show them facts and illustrate to them the reasons why responsible gun ownership is necessary to maintain our liberty; that voluntarily allowing our government to disarm us has never worked out well for any society ever..

I'm curious as to how many "anti-gun sheep" you have actually convinced that "responsible gun ownership is necessary".  Just wondering...............

[GrainfedMuley]

[pianoman9701]

I'm teaching one how to shoot her new handgun this week. She's not the first. How many have you turned by saying F%^$ You? I'm guessing it doesn't work near as well. By listening to people and then offering to take them shooting, I've accomplished quite a bit more than anyone I know who uses the tactics outlined in the article.

[pianoman9701]

Lol.