Idaho Controlled Hunt and Auction Survey

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Idaho is asking for input in making changes to their controlled hunt and auction process.  Take a moment and give them your input if you hunt or plan to hunt Idaho.

https://idfg.idaho.gov/webform/open-survey-controlled-hunt-drawings-and-auction-tags

[MerriamMagician]

So while we're on this topic, what if Idaho kept the exact same draw system they have right now, except they add a bonus or preference point system for each species. Oppose or support?

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

That is one of the questions in the survey.  I am not sure if I would like that or not.  If they keep it one species one application per year, the points might be worth something.  Then you are committed to getting drawn for a tag and not just building points in every category you can.  I think it would be cool if they just guaranteed you a tag after applying for x number of years.

[X-Force]

They have a great system right now. I would hate to see them go to a point or preference system.

Going to a 1 species system would allow people to really focus on a particular animal but they would necessarily increase application fees. 

[pd]

Personally, I like the ID system so much better than WA or MT.  I would not want any changes.  It is completely fair to all: Clean slate every year, except successful tag drawers must wait a year to apply.  Non-residents have pretty good odds (in many cases better than residents).

I participated in the survey.  Thanks for the notice.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Yeah its good now, only thing that would be better is a few more tags.  You focus on what you want and every year you got the same chances of being drawn.  I dont see a need to reinvent the wheel if it is working well.

[idahohuntr]

Point systems are a Ponzi scheme.  Auction tags are not consistent with namwc and continue the march towards making hunting for only the wealthy.

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[grundy53]

I filled out the survey. The best part of their draw system is that there are no points.

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[andrew_in_idaho]

I am starting to change my stance on points ever so slightly. I would like to see them do a system whereby you accrue points every year you apply and don't draw up to 10 years at which point there will be a cap and a pool of 25% of tags set aside for all holders of 10 points. The remaining 75% of tags remain the same, total random draw no points, it would give a slight advantage to those who are just unlucky while not taking a lot away from new hunters

[2MANY]

Idaho is slowly but surely selling their wildlife down the drain.

[bearpaw]

Idaho has the best system, no changes PLEASE!

[andrew_in_idaho]

Idaho has the best system, no changes PLEASE!

While I agree with you I see the "everybody gets a trophy, it's not fair that I never draw" crowd slowly winning out with IDFG. Hence my suggestion which would guarantee another 10 years of full random draw and keep it mostly as is after that point

[idahohuntr]

Idaho has the best system, no changes PLEASE!

While I agree with you I see the "everybody gets a trophy, it's not fair that I never draw" crowd slowly winning out with IDFG. Hence my suggestion which would guarantee another 10 years of full random draw and keep it mostly as is after that point

I dont see them winning.  They lose every time...and as more sportsmen see the effects of point creep and the scam of point systems I think support will continue to dwindle.  New commissioners doing their diligence is all...happens every so often with a high number of new commissioners...there is a squeaky minority no doubt.

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[Bigshooter]

The commission has at least twice voted in favor of a point system but residents have been so opposed to it that it has never happened.  I think if you see a point system it will be for nonresidents only.

[idahohuntr]

No, the commission has never approved a point system.  A few state legislators continue to beat the drum...but the commission continues to ignore them with the support of sportsmen.

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[Bigshooter]

You are right.  It was unsuccesful once, but was approved once by the legislature but never was never implemented.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Hopefully they never ever go to any points system.....

[Mr Mykiss]

So while we're on this topic, what if Idaho kept the exact same draw system they have right now, except they add a bonus or preference point system for each species. Oppose or support?

So what you're saying is that if Idaho kept the exact same system but totally changed it...it would still be the exact same system?

[Mr Mykiss]

I think Idaho has a great system. The only real whining I have heard if from "participation trophy guy". Sorry that you didn't draw, it happens...apparently for you it happens a lot. He was actually a Idaho resident and when I asked him if he was killing 160" bucks and 300" bulls with his OTC tags every year I got silence. Newsflash people...just because you draw a tag doesn't mean the state just crate ships you a 330" bull or 180" buck.
It does seem that IDFG is susceptible to the almighty dollar but there seems to be an overwhelming majority on this one, in favor of no changes.
However the "Bad Break 10" system as described by Andrew: I would like to see them do a system whereby you accrue points every year you apply and don't draw up to 10 years at which point there will be a cap and a pool of 25% of tags set aside for all holders of 10 points. The remaining 75% of tags remain the same, total random draw no points, it would give a slight advantage to those who are just unlucky while not taking a lot away from new hunters
However if you looked at the statistics of that scenario you might find that the odds wouldn't actually change much/at all since it's likely that there would be a considerable pool. Say the Bad Break 10's get to be in the random and Bad Luck draw they might have a 5% chance in the random draw and a 2% chance in the Bad Luck draw, much less because there's only a 1/4 of the tags in that pool. So yes they'd get a few percent better chance but is it really worth revamping the whole system?

[MtnMuley]

Idaho is just fine the way it is.  Why go *#$^ it up?

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Idaho is just fine the way it is.  Why go *#$^ it up?

Plenty of states where the trophy hunters can go and pay for there points and play with all the HUNTINFOOL folks and there magazine... The best thing that could happen is if all states eliminated there money grubbing points systems.

[theleo]

Idaho is great, leave it alone. Many units (talking about elk) can be a pain to draw a rifle tag in for the main rifle season. The one my dad and I apply for my dad averages about once a decade, and I have yet to draw. However I picked up archery hunting and buy the tag over the counter when I don't draw. I get to hunt the exact same elk just earlier and it's a hair tag. Idaho gives you the ability to by second tags when they don't fill their qoutas for units and regions, that's a sweet option. Putting tags in pools for points sucks, look at Oregon and the point creep for drawing one of the big three elk units down there. Many residents put in for nearly 20 years to get one of those tags. If you've put in for 10 years you're in no mans land and not likely to draw at all. Idaho get's a lot more out of state hunters than Oregon, so think of that ever increasing point creep. The first few years it works great but as more people make it to that upper pool it'll take more points or another pool needs created as you could end up seeing the 10 and over pool get to crowded and drawing odds get worse for them. It's straight up luck of the draw and that's about the only fair way it can be otherwise with the point system someone gets the shaft by design.

[Mr Mykiss]

For what it's worth I think the debate is gearing towards. Nobody wants to implement a point system but Idaho will do it anyway...

[DOUBLELUNG]

I like raffles and random draws.  I do not like auctions and point systems.

[X-Force]

I like raffles and random draws.  I do not like auctions and point systems.

I know a lot of guys dont like auction hunts but for revenue generation they are great... lets face it fish and game department, specific wildlife etc need revenue to buy, build, protect habitat. Auction tags are very limited 10-12 per state really what is that in the grand scheme of things when they generate big cash.

Last year auction tags generated a quarter of a million dollars for WDFW if they wanted to make that kind of money without auctions it would require a $2 increase in license fees and everyone would be up in arms about the rate hike.

[DOUBLELUNG]

I like raffles and random draws.  I do not like auctions and point systems.

I know a lot of guys dont like auction hunts but for revenue generation they are great... lets face it fish and game department, specific wildlife etc need revenue to buy, build, protect habitat. Auction tags are very limited 10-12 per state really what is that in the grand scheme of things when they generate big cash.

Last year auction tags generated a quarter of a million dollars for WDFW if they wanted to make that kind of money without auctions it would require a $2 increase in license fees and everyone would be up in arms about the rate hike.

I understand the justification, I vehemently do not agree with it.  I would far rather see the cost of the special permit application or tag increase.  Auctioning opportunities to hunt the public's wildlife is 1000% contrary to the North American model of public ownership of wildlife, and to my radical way of thinking is even illegal under the equal protections clause of the Constitution's 14th Amendment. 

It is no different, in my mind, than a trustee stealing from a trust fund or justifying theft as necessary to feed one's family.  Is a $0.25 million additional revenue to an agency with an annual budget of $200 million a good justification for whoring out the resource (one 8th of one percent)?  How about auction tags for fishing endangered runs that are otherwise closed to the general public?  Auction tags for spring waterfowl hunting when the breeding plumage is nicest?  How about a $100,000 get out of jail free card that lets you break laws as much as you can until you get caught, then nullifies the charges?  No?  How about a $10,000,000 get out of jail free card, to fully fund education in the state?  A limited number of licenses to legally deal methamphetamine, to fund illegal drug enforcement?   Drunk driving permits to the highest bidder, to fund DUI emphasis?  A handful of legal rape permits to fund processing of the thousands of unanalyzed rape kits?  These are absurd, yet we auction off, to the highest bidder, the opportunity to poach the biggest and best of the public's wildlife?       

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

I like raffles and random draws.  I do not like auctions and point systems.

I know a lot of guys dont like auction hunts but for revenue generation they are great... lets face it fish and game department, specific wildlife etc need revenue to buy, build, protect habitat. Auction tags are very limited 10-12 per state really what is that in the grand scheme of things when they generate big cash.

Last year auction tags generated a quarter of a million dollars for WDFW if they wanted to make that kind of money without auctions it would require a $2 increase in license fees and everyone would be up in arms about the rate hike.

I understand the justification, I vehemently do not agree with it.  I would far rather see the cost of the special permit application or tag increase.  Auctioning opportunities to hunt the public's wildlife is 1000% contrary to the North American model of public ownership of wildlife, and to my radical way of thinking is even illegal under the equal protections clause of the Constitution's 14th Amendment. 

It is no different, in my mind, than a trustee stealing from a trust fund or justifying theft as necessary to feed one's family.  Is a $0.25 million additional revenue to an agency with an annual budget of $200 million a good justification for whoring out the resource (one 8th of one percent)?  How about auction tags for fishing endangered runs that are otherwise closed to the general public?  Auction tags for spring waterfowl hunting when the breeding plumage is nicest?  How about a $100,000 get out of jail free card that lets you break laws as much as you can until you get caught, then nullifies the charges?  No?  How about a $10,000,000 get out of jail free card, to fully fund education in the state?  A limited number of licenses to legally deal methamphetamine, to fund illegal drug enforcement?   Drunk driving permits to the highest bidder, to fund DUI emphasis?  A handful of legal rape permits to fund processing of the thousands of unanalyzed rape kits?  These are absurd, yet we auction off, to the highest bidder, the opportunity to poach the biggest and best of the public's wildlife?       

Interesting way to look at it.

[idahohuntr]

I like raffles and random draws.  I do not like auctions and point systems.

I know a lot of guys dont like auction hunts but for revenue generation they are great... lets face it fish and game department, specific wildlife etc need revenue to buy, build, protect habitat. Auction tags are very limited 10-12 per state really what is that in the grand scheme of things when they generate big cash.

Last year auction tags generated a quarter of a million dollars for WDFW if they wanted to make that kind of money without auctions it would require a $2 increase in license fees and everyone would be up in arms about the rate hike.

I understand the justification, I vehemently do not agree with it.  I would far rather see the cost of the special permit application or tag increase.  Auctioning opportunities to hunt the public's wildlife is 1000% contrary to the North American model of public ownership of wildlife, and to my radical way of thinking is even illegal under the equal protections clause of the Constitution's 14th Amendment. 

It is no different, in my mind, than a trustee stealing from a trust fund or justifying theft as necessary to feed one's family.  Is a $0.25 million additional revenue to an agency with an annual budget of $200 million a good justification for whoring out the resource (one 8th of one percent)?  How about auction tags for fishing endangered runs that are otherwise closed to the general public?  Auction tags for spring waterfowl hunting when the breeding plumage is nicest?  How about a $100,000 get out of jail free card that lets you break laws as much as you can until you get caught, then nullifies the charges?  No?  How about a $10,000,000 get out of jail free card, to fully fund education in the state?  A limited number of licenses to legally deal methamphetamine, to fund illegal drug enforcement?   Drunk driving permits to the highest bidder, to fund DUI emphasis?  A handful of legal rape permits to fund processing of the thousands of unanalyzed rape kits?  These are absurd, yet we auction off, to the highest bidder, the opportunity to poach the biggest and best of the public's wildlife?       

I like your descriptions!!  I would also argue on point systems, they are like welfare/entitlements that continue to pile up huge debt that future generations will have to pay for sooner or later...but yea, it's great if you get in on the base level!

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