Any body heard about this bull?

[Stein]

Good for her, but not my cup of tea.

For the same amount of money, I bet I could book 3-4 very high quality guided trips fair chase.  I looked at a few ranches once, most have pictures of the real big guys with prices.  I remember $40k for something about that size.  You pick the bull, send in your check and they drive you up to it.

[bullfisher]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

[JM]

I've got a family member that just came back from a successful New Mexico high fence hunt.  10 days on horse back and they never saw a fence. 

I've personally hunted Texas high fence blocks that were 1000 acres of low fence blocked together with 9 other units, all together 10,000 acres.  I venture none of you hunt that much ground in Washington on a fair chase hunt.  You might be sitting in a million acre forest but that doesn't mean you are hunting it. 

Good on this gal, nice bull.

I may not be able to walk a million acres but the deer and elk that I hunt sure can.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.

The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers.  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.  I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.

[notellumcreek]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.

  Well said!

I haven't gone to see if she is claiming she "hunted" this animal or not, but I hope there was a good reason and that her only choice to actually shoot an animal was to go to a high fence ranch. I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?

[bullfisher]

Agreed, its basically elk farming.

[PlateauNDN]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.

  Well said!

I haven't gone to see if she is claiming she "hunted" this animal or not, but I hope there was a good reason and that her only choice to actually shoot an animal was to go to a high fence ranch. I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?

Her husband posted for her and he didn't claim it was fair chase he said exactly where they got it.  And yes, it's the ones that try to claim public land that really get me.

[runningboard]

need a good reason? how about that she's in Wisconsin, no elk hunting there, with all the bashing surprised nobody's yet said " if that was me I'd kick her a$$" 

[C-Money]

I'd like to have that shop!

[bobcat]

I do agree about fencing in wild animals being illegal- I do believe some states have this rule do they now?

I don't believe it's legal in any state to fence in elk. What we're talking about here is domestic elk that are purchased like cattle and then released into a high fenced area.

Deer and elk farming is not legal in Washington, period. It's also illegal in Wyoming and I believe Montana just recently made it illegal.

[NumaJohn]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.

The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers.  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.  I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.

I agree, Sitka_Blacktail. Great post!

John

[fastdam]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.

The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers.  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.  I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.

exactly. Its a great looking bull, but its not really something to brag about.  The difference between a trophy earned for a great season of your favorite sport vs. A trophy bought at the goodwill.   

[grundy53]

need a good reason? how about that she's in Wisconsin, no elk hunting there, with all the bashing surprised nobody's yet said " if that was me I'd kick her a$$" 

She is from Oregon. She went to Wisconsin for the "hunt". Plenty of elk in Oregon.

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[Sitka_Blacktail]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.

The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers.  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.  I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.

exactly. Its a great looking bull, but its not really something to brag about.  The difference between a trophy earned for a great season of your favorite sport vs. A trophy bought at the goodwill.

Yup, It's like buying a set of cletes, a jockstrap, some "Stikum" and buying Lester Hayes' Super Bowl Ring at a pawn shop and acting like you are a world class football player.

[JimmyHoffa]

Thats a nice bull for sure!!
HF elk hunts are a definite turn off, but I support someones right to do it.

If she wants to pay whatever so she can put a bullet in an animal that doesn't have a chance in Hades of getting away, that's her business. But don't call it hunting. It's farming. When you are guaranteed the animal you want by the dollar amount you are willing to pay, you are purchasing an animal, not hunting it. What you do with it after you buy it is your business. But don't call it hunting.

The sad thing is, it cheapens real accomplishments of real hunters who work really hard to take a mature animal on it's own terms. Because once you kill them and have them mounted, they all look basically the same. There is no way to tell the difference just by looking at a set of antlers.  The real saving grace for real hunters is that they have the memories of what it really takes to harvest an animal one on one in the wild and that is the real trophy. And you can't put a price on it. And you can't buy that experience with money. You buy it by experience and effort.  I would take any wild wild fair chase taken animal as a trophy over that bull, even a cow. That bull is like buying a set of replica antlers and thinking you have a trophy.

Maybe for small ranches, but the big ones you wouldn't ever know the difference between that and the 'wild'.  Unless you're hunting on a quality tag as the only gun in the woods, you're generally not one on one with the animals.  Even getting a map or info from a forum is using someone else to give you advantage over the animal.