Grandson Rifle

[Firedogg]

 I did not read all the posts in this message thread, but as far as hearing protection custom molded rubber type ear plugs dona good job, but you can increase the protection further by using ear muffs over them.

  As far as a rifle, which you have gotten plenty of advice on I would look at one of the Ruger 77s in .270 Win, and add in one of the recoil reducing devices into the stock. They greatly reduce felt recoil, add a little weight, but recoil is reduced more so than a break and you don't get the noise increase.

Something like this that you can pick up online through  Brownells

http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/recoil-parts/recoil-reducers/recoil-reduction-system-prod6728.aspx

[ghosthunter]

Ruger American Compact 7mm-08 http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleCompact/specSheets/6909.html

Shoter barrel rifles seem like they have more felt recoil? Any thoughts?

 Neither of my kids have a issue with their short barrel rifles, your grandson is welcome to try them out if you want to take a drive down, or I'll be up that way in the next couple months and can bring them.

Thanks
I might be over thinking it. I have been bringing him along real slow because of the ear thing. He is ok being around my 30.06 as long as he is back a ways and got full protection.

[ghosthunter]

Some good ideas from all. Glad I asked on here. 

[lamrith]

7-08 as mentioned or 6.5 grendel.  Grendel is a great round for recoil sensitive people.

For a can, no need to got high$.  $200 stamp, 140day wait (currently for form1 efile) and build one yourself.  Wait is not a year the last I checked, even for paper file, looks like around the same 140days, but have to add postal time ontop of that and shop delays...  Buying one takes longer due to being paper filed.

For first time applicants using a trust paper filed it right at a year. I know 6 different people that are between 10-15 months right now waiting for there suppressors. Another state or 2 was made legal and flooded the paperwork.

it took me right a year to get my first 3 from a sponsor on here. paper file.

I have not used the efile and last time I knew it was crashed but that was a few months ago.

For people that already have some setup. They are getting them back around 3-4 months that's the wait for the stamp. Most time the transfer from wholesaler or manufacture can take a month or so as well. Unless a dealer has them in stock.

I filed SBR in March and got caught in that fiasco, so I was never setup in thier system.  On 4/23/15 I filed for my Form1 Efile can with a brand new trust, I was approved 8/11/15.

You touched on the real issue people buying Manufactured Cans from stores/online take so long to get their Can.    Per the NFA tracker site linked form4 are sitting at the same 140day avg as the Efile form1.  However that is NFA process time, not including the time lost by store, USPS etc..  Most paper file ones have huge lag due to store/warehouse time ontop of the physical mail time of the forms back and forth.  That is why I highly recommend people do a Form1 Efile and DIY can and cut the wait down by a good month or much more depending on the store/online company..

The Efile system has not crashed.  It does go down every Wed for maintenance, so maybe someone saw that and started spreading rumors, there is also a once a month big maintenance that takes it down for a while.

[carpsniperg2]

I looked on silencer shop.com which is one of the biggest suppressor dealers and they have a post on there saying that in late april the efile sytem went down and they are not offer it

They have there paper person stamps taking about 9 months, there trusts taking about 5 months on there site they keep up on. Like you said if you build one you can get done sooner for sure. For people buying them I think 7 months atleast is a good guess. Like I said I know tons of people waiting right now that have had stuff in for 10-15 months.

[runningboard]

I put together a Remington 700 youth with a new take-off barrel in 7mm-08 and the take off was 24". it pushes rather than rises as it recoils and the muzzle blast is further from the shooter and more powder burns inside the barrel (bonus, more velocity), recoil is mild. it came with the limbsaver pad on it. my vote would be that, a 7mm08 with a longer barrel, you choose make, brand, model. naysayers will say "it'll be too long." but they hunt with shotguns nearly a foot longer shooting at moving targets, then cry over a few inches extra barrel length on a firearm designed to be shot at stationary, maybe slow moving targets. good luck and have him post pics of his success in the future 

[lamrith]

I looked on silencer shop.com which is one of the biggest suppressor dealers and they have a post on there saying that in late april the efile sytem went down and they are not offer it

They have there paper person stamps taking about 9 months, there trusts taking about 5 months on there site they keep up on. Like you said if you build one you can get done sooner for sure. For people buying them I think 7 months atleast is a good guess. Like I said I know tons of people waiting right now that have had stuff in for 10-15 months.

Yeah I believe the ATF was taking form4 (what a dealer would submit for you) efile for a while but have stopped that.  Only form1 (which the dealers cannot do) are being taken via Efile now, so that message from them makes sense.  I just got my Form1 approval thru the efile site in Aug 2015...

[carpsniperg2]

Sounds right to me.

[Special T]

Sounds like a 308 & a can should be in the works!

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[CementFinisher]

have 338-06 built with a threaded barrel for a suppressor. Would be a life long gun. Can run a shorter barrel, will be easier for him to weild especially once suppressor is added. big enough for anything out there.

[yorketransport]

I might be over thinking it. I have been bringing him along real slow because of the ear thing. He is ok being around my 30.06 as long as he is back a ways and got full protection.

My 11 y/o son has incredibly sensitive hearing so it's been a slow process getting him into shooting larger calibers. In fact he goes and sits in the cab of the truck with plugs and muffs on when I pull out any of my guns. It's been a gradual climb from 22 lr, to a 22 hornet, 6mm BR, 6.5 Grendel, and now I'm working on a 6.5x47 Lapua. What I've noticed with him is that a longer barrel helps. Short barrels put muzzle blast right in the shooter's face which makes the perceived recoil worse. The longer barrel moves it away from the shooter enough to take some of the edge off.

The best advice i can give you is go slow and work at his pace if the muzzle blast is an issue. It took months to get my son comfortable with the 6mm BR and one shot from a 243 sent us back to the 22 hornet again.

Andrew

[ghosthunter]

Well the time has come.
My grandson stepped up this month and passed Hunter Ed 100%.

Shot a 20 gauge no problem. Even broke a clay on first shot. Seems like he really grew up .

So we decided on a Savage Axis, Real Tree Cammo stock ,full length.
In 7mm 08. 3x9 Bushnell scope .

We picked it up today and will be heading to the range, later this week.

I went back and forth from the Ruger American and the Axis.

In the end I went with the Axis. My buddy bought two Americans for his grandsons.

But the Ruger has a known problem with the comb and no scope.

He handled it tonight seems like it fits him fine.

[brew]

good luck with the venture...this is about as cool as it gets trying to work with the shooter to make it as easy as can be for them to be able to hunt and pursue the passion they want to achieve....i do believe in Karma and can't wait to see some of the pics you post of him being successful...not only in him taking game but being out in the woods with the people who made it possible for him---ultimately that is the greatest success

[ghosthunter]

Well he has spent some time at the range now behind this rifle. And all is well.
Got the final tune up and sight in today.

I am impressed in how well it shoots and he shoots it.
140 grain Nolser Partition shoots the best out of it.

Three boxes of shells through it and no recoil problem for him. Picked him up a used Gunrunner pack . So we are set now. Going to try to get out after a bear. Soon.

[Henrydog]

  ghosthunter.  I don't have grandkids yet, but watching my kid drop his 1st deer several years ago or the countless roosters he has dropped brings more satisfaction to me then anything I have ever shot.  Ya, dad, or in your case grandpa, has shot something bigger and/or many more but there is nothing like watching one of your own succeed at what we love.  Nice job and great investment.  The more kids that will understand how nature works and put there smartphones down is a great investment in this day and age.