Looks like there is officially a new pack in the Methow

[grundy53]

for me to engage in this conversation I think.

I think you should. You are one of the more knowledgeable people when it comes to the Methow valley.

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[bobcat]

This is a confirmed pack. Which means a breeding pair.

That is incorrect.
2014 there were 14 or something packs and only 5 breeding pairs

Okay, thanks. Wasn't 100% sure on that but I always thought to count as one of the required packs for eventual federal delisting, that a "pack" had to consist of a breeding pair.

Either way, the fact remains that it takes biologists a lot of time and work before they can officially confirm the presence of a wolf pack in a particular area.

[idahohuntr]

If you don't think "finally admitting" isn't a correct analysis, then you have issues......oh, wait...............

No I sure don't think it's correct. They can't just take a few wolf sightings reported by the general public and call it a pack. Try to spin it that way if you like, but reasonable people aren't going to buy into these kinds of conspiracy theories. A little common sense goes a long way.

 

With everyone being to quick to jump on H-W and dis WDFW maybe get out their where these other "packs" are and setup trail cameras, do some hiking get photographs of animals and send them in. WDFW doesnt have a wolf task force out there to find every single animal and ever pack. If concerned hunters did the leg work and provided them documentation and not hearsay we could get things moving. I believe that every wolfpack on the eastern slope has been documented (trail cameras/photos) by private individuals before WDFW has confirmed the pack.

[wolfbait]

for me to engage in this conversation I think.

X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out?

[Special T]

Lets see.. if I rember correctly there are a couple people on here that do or have lived there that have provided decent intel to the wdfw and were blown off.

Bobcat not so sure your statement is gona carry water on this argument. Especially if your gona argue with some one who has spent tons of time in the valley and used to live there.

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[MtnMuley]

for me to engage in this conversation I think.

X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out?

X3, same "groupies" every time. Not worth any of our time. A little common sense goes a long ways...........wow

[rtspring]

for me to engage in this conversation I think.

X2, not worth the time of day Bone. I wonder, will their heads ever pop out?

X3, same "groupies" every time. Not worth any of our time. A little common sense goes a long ways...........wow

X4 leave now while u can Mtnmuley

[bobcat]

I'm not sure why living in a particular area has much to do with it. The fact is it takes time (and money) to confirm wolf packs. To continue to put forth the idea that some governmental agency is attempting to deny the existence of wolves in a particular area gets old.

If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.

From a news release last March:

Martorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.

"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.

[Naches Sportsman]

You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.

[bobcat]

You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.

I don't understand what you're saying.

All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.

[Bango skank]

You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.

I don't understand what you're saying.

All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.

Yeah, a lot of times its just good old fashioned incompetence. 

[bobcat]

You are missing a key point bobcat-politics. Conservation NW and other clubs have a big say in things, but more importantly it is who is in charge at the wdfw office in Olympia.

I don't understand what you're saying.

All I'm saying is that we can't automatically assume that it's the WDFW's or USFWS's intent to try to lie about the actual number of wolves and where those wolves are located. Could it be that sometimes they just DON'T KNOW? Kind of like they don't have a clue as to how many cougars are in this state. Or deer. Or elk. They just don't know. Everything the government does is not always a conspiracy.

Yeah, a lot of times its just good old fashioned incompetence. 

Now that I can't argue with. You can call it that if you wish.

[Bigshooter]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

[JimmyHoffa]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

[idahohuntr]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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