Looks like there is officially a new pack in the Methow

[villageidiot]

So if just two wolves are present with no pups according to the powers that be there is no pack.  If those two wolves disappear then there is no harm done because they weren't really there to start with. One cannot be accused or charged for eliminating something that was not really there to start with.

[Skyvalhunter]

Well this pack is sure to move on or starve to death.

[Bigshooter]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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[GameHunter1959]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents

[Special T]

I'm not sure why living in a particular area has much to do with it. The fact is it takes time (and money) to confirm wolf packs. To continue to put forth the idea that some governmental agency is attempting to deny the existence of wolves in a particular area gets old.

If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.

From a news release last March:

Martorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.

"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.

When time, dates, pictures and offers to SHOW where wolves are are scoffed at its hard to give the department the benefit of the doubt.   I think the old saying is you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

[bobcat]

I'm not sure why living in a particular area has much to do with it. The fact is it takes time (and money) to confirm wolf packs. To continue to put forth the idea that some governmental agency is attempting to deny the existence of wolves in a particular area gets old.

If you pay attention to the news releases put out by the WDFW, you'd know that they often admit that there likely are many wolves that they either don't know about yet or just don't yet have the data to officially confirm.

From a news release last March:

Martorello noted that the number of confirmed successful breeding pairs in the annual wolf survey has remained the same for the past three years, despite a significant increase in the number of individual wolves. Since 2012, WDFW has documented a total of five breeding pairs between the Eastern Washington and North Cascades recovery regions.

"Given the continued growth of the state's wolf population, there's a good chance that we have breeding pairs east of the Cascade Range we haven't found yet," he said.

When time, dates, pictures and offers to SHOW where wolves are are scoffed at its hard to give the department the benefit of the doubt.   I think the old saying is you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Well, I guess I just don't believe that they scoff at anything. Unless there is a good reason for doing so.

[Special T]

Well they have scoffed at members of my archery club who have done what i just described with wolves and Griz. So if you doubt thier holy intentions then you dont reside in the same reality I do.

[X-Force]

Well they have scoffed at members of my archery club who have done what i just described with wolves and Griz. So if you doubt thier holy intentions then you dont reside in the same reality I do.

I have a hard time believing guys who say they have evidence when they never have photos. And if you know guys with photos post them up here if wolves are in their hunting areas they shouldn't worry about guys wanting to hunt those areas because game animals will disappear... Right?

. I haven't met a WDFW bio who wouldn't want game cam pictures of wolves, griz, wolverine, etc with GPS coordinates. Bios want information, data, ect. That's what their job is, they have far more to benefit from discovering new packs, animals etc then they do from hiding anything.

Conservation NW wants more packs, they want to be able to say animals are in the granite falls area or st. Helen's monument. they don't care to hide any info because when animals become delisted and eligible to hunt they will just launch a PR campaign and file law suits.

[Special T]

You would think so, but the photos were posted on here as well and given to the WDFW. You can live in denial all you like. But i have talked first hand with more than 2 people who have done this (Both of which are on here) and got no interest.

If it makes you feel better you can call me a liar or that i wear a  But the fact is that the Department only pushes the narrative they are told/want to.  You would think that when you offer up to shoot the said hybrid so that they can DNA test it  you might get thier attention... Sadly this is not the case.

[wheels]

one  less pack needed before we can  start managing  like we should be now

[jdb]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents

not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of salt

[pianoman9701]

I'm not sure "finally admitting" there is another wolf pack is the proper terminology to use.

That makes it sound like they are trying to hide the fact that there is another pack.

It takes time and a lot of work by the biologists to officially confirm a pack. Don't they have to actually have proof of a pair of wolves with a litter of pups?

From the article: 

  Following up on a cluster of public wolf sightings in north-central Washington, WDFW, working in coordination with USDA Wildlife Services and the Service, identified a group of wolves previously undocumented in the area. Further investigation, including ground surveys, confirmed the presence and consistent use of the area by multiple wolves.

It seems obvious they purposely stall on listing packs. This has been going on for 5 years. It's precisely why a thread for wolf reporting was started. People are told they're seeing coyotes, or the kills are cougars or coyotes, when all of the people who live there know exactly what it is.

[idahohuntr]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents

not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of salt

Neither.  Assistant director, game division mgr, large carnivore manager...senior wildlife staff.  If the gal answering the phone or some local crony is giving these bs answers talk to folks higher up.

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[GameHunter1959]

I agree with bobcat.  WDFW doesn't have any idea how many of any animals there are in this state.  But the conspiracy theorists on here know way more than everyone else.

Right, so if they don't know how much of what is where, then WDFW also cannot deny what people know to be there.  Instead of telling everyone they are just seeing coyotes and giving the impression that WDFW knows exactly what every wolf is doing---just say 'yeah, there's packs out there that aren't confirmed yet...we'll get to them in time...thanks for the info' or something along those lines.  Probably go a long ways to remove the conspiracy thought.

They (wdfw) do say just what you suggest.  Ive heard that very statement from about every senior wdfw person I've talked wolves with for the past several years.  It's better for the conspiracy folks if they exaggerate what the wdfw actually told them though.  Remember, a lot of these conspiracy believers tout things like chemtrails or made predictions that elk hunting was going to end in idaho years ago because of wolf predation.  It's just really hard to take any of them seriously...I don't care where they live or how blindly they wander around the woods.

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I had a long conversation with the Game Warden and Biologist over in Wenas, during elk season about wolves. They both said the WSDFW are aware of several un-confirmed packs in Washington. It will take time to collect all the required data, but they will confirm ASAP. Both told us that they were not in support of wolf reintroduction back into Washington, because of all the political elements that come with wolves. They were very upfront and honest and did not dodge any of the questions we asked. 2cents

not sure which bio you talked to but the local guy is a clown. And as far as talking to game wardens they will tell you what they think you want to hear so take whT they say with huge helpings of salt

What I wanted to hear was there are no wolves where I hunt. That's not what I heard. In fact; I heard there are wolves where I hunt and they are on the verge of confirming a pack as more data is collected.

If they were going to lie, they would of said the opposite. By your example, you are mistaken. 

[Alchase]

Well, I gues they can now stop blaming the tripod pack for everything from Canada to Oregon.