Youth 1st Deer/Elk rifle

[Loco Ken]

Looking to get my son (11y/o, going on 12) his first rifle next year and would like to get some outside opinions on what I should look for caliber-wise as well as some suggestions on manufacturer.  I would like to stay away from the .243 simply because obviously it would be too small for elk, and my experience with it for deer is that the rounds travel too fast that in short distances don't have enough time for expansion.  He might even shoot muzzleloader with me for elk so that might not need to be in the equation, but I would still like suggestions for elk as well.  Is a .270 big enough, and does it have enough stopping power for elk?  Thanks for your help!

[Bob33]

Looking to get my son (11y/o, going on 12) his first rifle next year and would like to get some outside opinions on what I should look for caliber-wise as well as some suggestions on manufacturer.  I would like to stay away from the .243 simply because obviously it would be too small for elk, and my experience with it for deer is that the rounds travel too fast that in short distances don't have enough time for expansion.  He might even shoot muzzleloader with me for elk so that might not need to be in the equation, but I would still like suggestions for elk as well.  Is a .270 big enough, and does it have enough stopping power for elk?  Thanks for your help!

A 243 with the right bullets is fine but a 7mm-08 is a better elk choice, and a great youth caliber.

[bobcat]

270 works great for deer and elk, and ammo is available everywhere. It's what I use and I highly recommend it! I would probably look at Savage for a reasonably priced rifle that will be accurate right out of the box.

I do have to say though, the 243 is a perfect deer cartridge. If the bullet is going fast that only means it will expand more, not less. But I agree, I'd go with something a little bigger for elk. Besides the 270, another good choice is the 308. The two are virtually the same.

[coachcw]

Ruger American 7mm 08

[Loco Ken]

Does the 7mm-08 kick less than the .270, and is ammo readily available for it?

[HUNTaHOLIC5]

270 is definitely big enough for elk.   Besides that 7mm-08 or I liked my 30-30 as a beginner gun.

[WA hunter14]

yes 7mm08 is less reciol then 270 and yea ammo is readily available. 7mm08 was my first rifle, my dad bought it for me when i was 9 and i still use it. shot a escaped goat with it today

[Bob33]

Does the 7mm-08 kick less than the .270, and is ammo readily available for it?

Yes, and yes. The 270 is based on a necked down 30-06 case. The 7mm-08 is based on a necked down 308 case which holds less powder and thus generates less recoil. While the 270 is more popular, the 7mm-08 is popular enough to find ammo quite easily in most places.

[carpsniperg2]

7mm-08

[bobcat]

The 7/08 is a good cartridge, I just like the other more common cartridges such as the 270 Win. and the 308 Win. because the ammo is cheaper. (About half the price of what 7/08 is I believe)

If recoil is an issue there is low recoil ammo available for both the 270 and the 308.

Again, absolutely nothing wrong with the 7/08. It's just really a matter of personal preference.

[Bob33]

I checked Midway Shooting. They list 117 different 30-06 rounds, 120 different 308 rounds, 53 270 rounds, 53 243 rounds, and 28 7mm-08 rounds. They can all be excellent cartridges for a youth with the right ammunition. I've shot all of them and like the 308 family calibers best for youth. I think a common mistake is picking too mild a caliber that the youth outgrows. You can tone down a 30-06 with milder ammo, but you can't turn a 243 into a 30-06.

[724wd]

.308 is my choice for kids.  You can load down (or buy reduced recoil rounds) when they're young and run full house loads that are good for any animal walking in WA when they get older.

[WA hunter14]

i buy hornady superformance for 7-08 and its 31.99 a box, i used to buy the same thing for 30-06 and paid the exact same price

[bobcat]

I buy Winchester Power Points in 270 and 30/06 for $19.99.

Can you get 7/08 for that price?

[buglebrush]

Took my first elk at 12 years old with a browning A-bolt .270.  I have since killed numerous deer, elk, bear, and coyotes with it.  Excellent choice IMO.