My buddy saw this in Goldendale Thursday

[JDHasty]

"something isn't on the up and up" 

That's for sure and for certain.

"I'm not going to give him any credit as a hunter either if he needs to hire a guide to get the job done."

Well I am quite a bit more flexible on that. 

This is an old article about my friend Jim Tonkin's Oregon Sheep Hunt:   https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en

Jim used a guide on this hunt and without doing that it would not have been possible to do the hunt.  Probably the greatest hunter/sportsman I have ever met.   

[JimmyHoffa]

"Columbia Blacktail" maybe that refers to being within 2 hours of the Columbia River 

so I understand your spin, I live in kitsap, 3 hours from Columbia and I shoot western blacktails here... a bit of research I did has (2) record book definitions:

Northwest Big Game record site, there is no classification for a "Columbia blacktail", only Mule, Cascade blacktail and western blacktail. http://www.nwbiggame.com/graphics/maps/WA_blacktail_map_lg.gif

B&C does have a Columbia blacktail and has a boundary as follows:
Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook. (This is right at the 141 ALT intersection of 14, very clearly west of Goldendale). http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords

He's talking Boone and Crockett. It's not a Columbian black tail.
His bull with Barbour was not a Roosevelt by B&C standards, which he also claimed if I'm not mistaken.

Boone and Crockett may have their rules for inclusion, but they aren't the defining factor on what is and isn't a Columbian Blacktail or a Roosevelt elk. Their I-5 line for Roosevelts is dumb.  I'd like to see the tail on that deer. If it's got a blacktail tail, I have no problem with him calling it a blacktail.

But that said, he claimed he was in the coast range when he was far from it.  He was either lying or being evasive. Both are signs that something isn't on the up and up, maybe even not totally legal.

I'm not going to give him any credit as a hunter either if he needs to hire a guide to get the job done.

Yeah, first time I saw Roosevelt elk was in the hills in Missouri.  Say what?!  Big herds that escaped I guess.  Out there having a good ole feast on the acorns.

[eastfork]

wow.....pretty pathetic apology really.......it's a blacktail.....and he thought since he was 2 hours from portland he was in the coastal range.......wow. what a chump.

[woodbow]

Good grief.  Blacktail, Benchleg, muley, sitka, axis,... who cares what he calls it?  Let him be the new world record holder.   I'm shocked that this is what everyone is having a hard time with Jim about now.  How about that idiotic gesture of raising his bow after a kill shot for starters?  That's all you have to see to know what that guy is about.

[kodiak 907]

Western extreme!!!!!!!

[JLS]

Who cares what he calls it?  Why the need to prove him wrong?  Is anyone surprised that a TV show would stretch the truth for ratings?  I'm not.  Don't watch his show.

[Bean Counter]

Twisted horn Truth Outfitters.......

 Fixed it for ya(?)

[bobcat]

I care, I guess because I don't like being blatantly lied to. He's not just telling this to his buddies around a campfire. He posted it on Facebook, it's a "coastal blacktail." And surely he intends to continue this lie when this hunt is shown on TV. It's the exact same thing he already did with the elk he killed near Graham. I think that was the first time I'd ever seen his show, and I wasn't impressed.

[Reidus]

Twisted horn Truth Outfitters.......

 Fixed it for ya(?)

 

[JDHasty]

Who cares what he calls it?  Why the need to prove him wrong?  Is anyone surprised that a TV show would stretch the truth for ratings?  I'm not.  Don't watch his show.

Because he airs this show nationwide and people from other areas will think that they can book a coastal/Columbia blacktail hunt w/Twisted Truth Outfitters is a good place to start.

Because *censored* Outfitters would not set the record straight if contacted for such a hunt is another reason.

Because this constant "upping the ante" on Television is not in the best interest of the sport, it is one of the things that motivates poor sportsmanship and playing fast and loose with game regulations.  These individuals are, like it or not, roll models.  It is one thing to push oneself, but it is another thing all together to stretch the truth and test the ability of law enforcement (Allwine) or the ability of other sportsmen (Burnworth) to keep up with your shenanigans.  It seems to be a game of "catch me if you can" and in these two cases and more than one or two other recent examples Hunting-Washington visitors have been up to the task. 


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[JDHasty]

Wow man, who cares? Did you shoot the deer, did you hunt the deer, does it affect your life in any way? DRAMA QUEENS! Come on fellas, lets move along now. #Tougherskin

Nothing stopping you from "moving on,"  Nothing making you click on this thread and read it.  But then again there is nothing compelling me to read what you have posted.  But I am not going to tell you to "move on."  I wouldn't do that because I think you have every right to say what you have said, even though what you had to offer impresses me that you are in some way connected to Burnworth and are trying to help him with the damage control effort.

Do you know the man personally?  Do you have any relationship with him?  Just curious.     

[tgomez]

Wow man, who cares? Did you shoot the deer, did you hunt the deer, does it affect your life in any way? DRAMA QUEENS! Come on fellas, lets move along now. #Tougherskin

Nothing stopping you from "moving on,"  Nothing making you click on this thread and read it.  But then again there is nothing compelling me to read what you have posted.  But I an not going to tell you to "move on."  I wouldn't do that because I think you have every right to say what you have said, even though what you had to offer impresses me that you are in some way connected to Burnworth and are trying to help him with the damage control effort.

Do you know the man personally?  Do you have any relationship with him?  Just curious.   

I don't know that guy at all man. Like I said who cares, at the end of the day it's just meat on the table. That's all hunting is, spending time with loved ones and getting food for the table. Damage control? Jim Burnworth can kiss my ... bud. I just had to post that because people care about little things way too much and it's comical to me, that's all.

[JDHasty]

At the end of the day it is increasing his market share to Burnworth.  It is not "meat on the table."  The man has monetized the sport by making a living as a professional and in doing so he has accepted the scrutiny that comes along with being a celebrity.  He does not get to have it both ways, not with me anyway. 

And, no I don't sit up all night at the keyboard... the church next door was damaged in the wind and their alarm started going off at 03:30 and is still shrieking like a banshee. 

[tgomez]

I hear ya. I wasn't trying to take shots. Just making a comment. Look alot of people make a living on lies. Heard of a lawyer, or a the President? Hope the wind isn't too tough on you, it sucks over here in Spokane to. Have a good day man, I have physical training, college classes, and basketball practice to attend to today. Like I said could care less about Jim Burnworth or what he shoots.

[dfresh96]

When I started hunting the 388 unit it was just after it was switched from a westside GMU to a Eastside GMU..When I talked to some locals specifically 1 of my neighbors 1 of his 1st comments were "how/good luck finding a Muley with all these Blacktails around"...I replied that the rule book considers them/ allows harvesting them as a muley...I have been able to harvest 2 bucks & a few does over the years hunting the area & have gotten euro mounts done. on both taxi's asked or thought both bucks were blacktails...1 of them knew of/ hunted the area & cross breeding...

I have also looked through the record book & noticed most of the biggest Blacktail bucks were taken from Klickitat...& have heard the same from other hunters who I have spoke with over the years but this was before the GMU switch...

My opinion is that most deer in area are a mixed breed or aka benchlegs with more Blacktail traits than there Muley cousins....But if I had to pick 1 or the other I would say BlackTail over Muley....IMO this kind of bickering just gives "the MAN" more reason to regulate even more....

I wouldn't say Goldendale is in the coastal range but my family on the eastside do consider anything west of the cascades the coast which I still live 2-3 hours from...

So at what point when driving west from Gdale do you consider it westside/ coastal?  I think most would say at the Pacific Crest Trail but that is man made & animals dont follow our rules....

Funny how so many promote shooting wolves by confusing them for coyotes or so forth but bash this guy for calling a deer a blacktail (which he seems to believe it is) when they believe it is a Muley...

Thanks Ahead for any feedback....