Federal judge rejects wolf kills in state

[wolfbait]

Friday, November 1, 2002-Defenders of Wildlife and the Northwest Ecosystem Alliance said yesterday they have sent a petition to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, requesting that the agency restore and protect gray wolves under the Endangered Species Act.  "Northwest Ecosystem Alliance (now Conservation Northwest)"


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021101&slug=graywolves01m

Jul 23, 2008-The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife has convened a diverse group of stakeholders, including Conservation Northwest, to develop a state conservation and management plan for wolves.
http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-releases/wolf-pack-confirmed-in-washington-state


Wolf Advisory Group

Conservation Northwest

Defenders of Wildlife

Humane Society of the United States

Sierra Club

[CAMPMEAT]

What do you do for a living Muledeer ?




I don't know why these pictures are flipped ? Please turn it for me, thanks !

[JDHasty]

Friday, November 1, 2002-Defenders of Wildlife and the Northwest Ecosystem Alliance said yesterday they have sent a petition to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, requesting that the agency restore and protect gray wolves under the Endangered Species Act.  "Northwest Ecosystem Alliance (now Conservation Northwest)"


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021101&slug=graywolves01m

Jul 23, 2008-The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife has convened a diverse group of stakeholders, including Conservation Northwest, to develop a state conservation and management plan for wolves.
http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-releases/wolf-pack-confirmed-in-washington-state


Wolf Advisory Group

Conservation Northwest

Defenders of Wildlife

Humane Society of the United States

Sierra Club

This has a lot to do with me being "so jaded.". That and I have been on too many of these commissions when they had been deliberately packed with knotheads and know nothings who did nothing to educate themselves and we're obviously put there to make certain that nothing was accomplished.

[MuleDeer]

Federal judge rejects wolf kills in state

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/12/21/federal-judge-rejects-wolf-kills-state/77725338/

Please include all facts when you post items like this to fire people up.  For example, the fact that lethal actions can and will still be taken on wolves in WA state.  Just not by Wildlife Services.  Lethal action will be done by WDFW.

I posted a link to an article, after this would you like me to get with you first, maybe find out how you want things posted? Hate the thought of firing people up.

I think I would rather have the USFWS taking care of the problem wolves as they have been doing it far longer then WDFW. And as far as WDFW handling problem wolves to date, they have been terrible, heck they can't even find wolf packs under their nose that need confirming.

Wolf history and WDFW go back 13+ years, and as you probably know history tells quite a bit about those we are dealing with. Do you think the WAG and the $850,000 consultant are going to change how WDFW manage wolves?

Do I think the WAG can change the way WDFW manages wolves?  Yes, I do.  That's why I applied for a position, and why I am still there fighting for "our side".  And no, don't bother contacting me to make sure you post the way I want, just post all the facts, instead of trying to stir the pot like the press does with their "partial headlines" to get a rise out of people.  If your goal is to educate people, then educate them with everything we can, not just the 1/2 truths to go for the most shock possible.

I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting all the facts like you wanted MD, maybe you can help me out with the info. below.


Where did WA's wolves come from?

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Northern Rocky Mountain Recovery Program Update

2008-Until 2008, no wild wolves had been confirmed west of the DPS boundary in Washington or Oregon. However, in July 2008, a wolf pack (2 adults and 6 pups) was discovered near Twisp, WA (just east of the North Cascades and west of the DPS boundary). Genetic testing showed these wolves did not originate from the NRM DPS; instead they apparently dispersed southward from the wolf population in southcentral British Columbia
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt08/FINAL_2008_USFWS_Recovery_Program_Update_3-17-09.pdf

July 24, 2008
DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.
“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.”http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-clips/dna-samples-confirm-gray-wolves-are-back-in-methow-valley

Jun 25, 2013-“DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia”, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, “Conservation Northwest” said in a press release. http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/06/25/will-federal-delisting-impact-states-wolves/

I can't tell you where they came from, and neither can you.  To speculate the conspiracy theories doesn't make them true or false.  I won't speculate, and I'll admit when I don't know something, like their origin in WA.  Do I have ideas?  Sure, like everyone else does.  But I don't deal in guesses or speculation.

[MuleDeer]

How much money does the average hunters association have, to fight the billionaires, that dish out millions upon millions to save the wolves ? That's the reason why going to meetings is worthless..Name ANY animal rights group that looses to the average hunting groups, MuleDeer ?

I guess it depends on what you call an average hunters association.  If you count 5 of the top national groups (RMEF, NWTF, MDF, DU, and SCI), they had revenues in 2014 of just under $300 million.  Can't really give you the answers you want if I'm not sure what you're asking.
What animal rights groups are you talking about, specifically?  Because as I keep trying to tell many of you, some of the groups you consider "animal rights" actually work with the local and national hunters associations to do a lot of good work.  So I guess, again, I need to know who you're talking about specifically.

[MuleDeer]

Friday, November 1, 2002-Defenders of Wildlife and the Northwest Ecosystem Alliance said yesterday they have sent a petition to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, requesting that the agency restore and protect gray wolves under the Endangered Species Act.  "Northwest Ecosystem Alliance (now Conservation Northwest)"


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021101&slug=graywolves01m

Jul 23, 2008-The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife has convened a diverse group of stakeholders, including Conservation Northwest, to develop a state conservation and management plan for wolves.
http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-releases/wolf-pack-confirmed-in-washington-state


Wolf Advisory Group

Conservation Northwest

Defenders of Wildlife

Humane Society of the United States

Sierra Club

Yeah, those last 5 groups you listed are on the WAG.  Can you name the other 13? You know, the ones that outnumber the wolf advocates more than 2 to 1?  If you can, then why don't you list them all?

[MuleDeer]

What do you do for a living Muledeer ?




I don't know why these pictures are flipped ? Please turn it for me, thanks !

I work for a national non-profit conservation group.
I put a post on here when I first joined to appease all the ones who thought I was some kind of spy.  I haven't kept anything secret on here, including my job, cell phone number and home address.  Ask many of the people on this forum whom I've worked with for wildlife over the last nearly 20 years to hear from them who I am and what I do.  That way you don't have to take my word for it.  Lots of guys on here have known me for a long time and been on many projects, events, releases, trappings, etc, etc. with me.
And what do you do for a living?

[wolfbait]

Federal judge rejects wolf kills in state

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/12/21/federal-judge-rejects-wolf-kills-state/77725338/

Please include all facts when you post items like this to fire people up.  For example, the fact that lethal actions can and will still be taken on wolves in WA state.  Just not by Wildlife Services.  Lethal action will be done by WDFW.

I posted a link to an article, after this would you like me to get with you first, maybe find out how you want things posted? Hate the thought of firing people up.

I think I would rather have the USFWS taking care of the problem wolves as they have been doing it far longer then WDFW. And as far as WDFW handling problem wolves to date, they have been terrible, heck they can't even find wolf packs under their nose that need confirming.

Wolf history and WDFW go back 13+ years, and as you probably know history tells quite a bit about those we are dealing with. Do you think the WAG and the $850,000 consultant are going to change how WDFW manage wolves?

Do I think the WAG can change the way WDFW manages wolves?  Yes, I do.  That's why I applied for a position, and why I am still there fighting for "our side".  And no, don't bother contacting me to make sure you post the way I want, just post all the facts, instead of trying to stir the pot like the press does with their "partial headlines" to get a rise out of people.  If your goal is to educate people, then educate them with everything we can, not just the 1/2 truths to go for the most shock possible.

I seem to be having a bit of trouble getting all the facts like you wanted MD, maybe you can help me out with the info. below.


Where did WA's wolves come from?

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Northern Rocky Mountain Recovery Program Update

2008-Until 2008, no wild wolves had been confirmed west of the DPS boundary in Washington or Oregon. However, in July 2008, a wolf pack (2 adults and 6 pups) was discovered near Twisp, WA (just east of the North Cascades and west of the DPS boundary). Genetic testing showed these wolves did not originate from the NRM DPS; instead they apparently dispersed southward from the wolf population in southcentral British Columbia
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt08/FINAL_2008_USFWS_Recovery_Program_Update_3-17-09.pdf

July 24, 2008
DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.
“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.”http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-clips/dna-samples-confirm-gray-wolves-are-back-in-methow-valley

Jun 25, 2013-“DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia”, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, “Conservation Northwest” said in a press release. http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/06/25/will-federal-delisting-impact-states-wolves/

I can't tell you where they came from, and neither can you.  To speculate the conspiracy theories doesn't make them true or false.  I won't speculate, and I'll admit when I don't know something, like their origin in WA.  Do I have ideas?  Sure, like everyone else does.  But I don't deal in guesses or speculation.

What happened to your spiel about firing people up or half truths, how about any truth at all? In the links above the USFWS, WDFW and CNW state that the Lookout pack wolves all came from different areas according to their DNA testing. Which outfit should we believe, the USFWS, WDFW, or CNW?

[CAMPMEAT]

What do you do for a living Muledeer ?




I don't know why these pictures are flipped ? Please turn it for me, thanks !

I work for a national non-profit conservation group.
I put a post on here when I first joined to appease all the ones who thought I was some kind of spy.  I haven't kept anything secret on here, including my job, cell phone number and home address.  Ask many of the people on this forum whom I've worked with for wildlife over the last nearly 20 years to hear from them who I am and what I do.  That way you don't have to take my word for it.  Lots of guys on here have known me for a long time and been on many projects, events, releases, trappings, etc, etc. with me.
And what do you do for a living?

I'm retired, been retired since 2010.

[wolfbait]

The USFWS-Federal judge rejects wolf kills in state and the games begin!



IDFG played the same game for many years, and now WA is going to have to go through the same BS. The only difference is wolves started "migrating" to Washington long before the public realized it, while the USFWS advertised their wolf introduction.

In 2008 WDFW was finally forced to confirm one of the wolf packs in the Methow, seven years later WDFW have only confirmed 16 wolf packs in the whole state, despite many reports from the public. Instead of doing their job, they appoint groups to the wag they know will push for non-leathal wolf control for livestock predation, while they sit on their thumbs pretending wolves are slow at recovering in WA. And like happened in the original wolf introductions, the environmentalist will sue at every little loop hole left in for them, and the USFWS, WDFW will plead stupidity or something along those lines.

Remember the wolf working group?  That was our one and only chance at a fair deal, we ended up getting the worst wolf plan in any state to date.

Remember the Idaho Wildlife summit?  http://idahoforwildlife.com/index.php/idfg-wildlife-summit -  Go look at WDFW's thirty year plan, see who their partners are.


Read the info below, then look at the actions by WDFW with their wolf recovery program, do you see the similarities?

What they Didn't Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf



The USFWS, WDFW and the environmentalists are all on the same team, slow playing the people of WA.  I have a hard time believing you don't know this yet MD. Maybe you just want everyone to see the environmentalists in a more favorable light.


Muledeer wrote: Looking for the "LIKE" button!  Congrats on what was obviously a great day!
I spoke with Mitch, the CEO of CNW, about his donation for a Mule Deer Foundation project staying as "anonymous"  It bothered me that he wouldn't have CNW take credit for doing a good thing.  His response to me was "We wanted to stay anonymous for the benefit of MDF.", not wanting to potentially hurt our reputation by "consorting" with an organization who isn't perceived the best by the hunting community.  While I conveyed that I appreciate that, from here forward, MDF insist we share credit where it is due. It is time for hunters to start learning the truth about some of what is completely misunderstood by some.  It is time for hunters to realize that CNW is an organization which welcomes, and in fact practices hunting to a large degree, including the CEO.  Thanks for the post and great pic! http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,182445.25.html




Friday, November 1, 2002-Defenders of Wildlife and the Northwest Ecosystem Alliance said yesterday they have sent a petition to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, requesting that the agency restore and protect gray wolves under the Endangered Species Act.  "Northwest Ecosystem Alliance (now Conservation Northwest)"
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021101&slug=graywolves01m


Hitler really was a great guy, many people just misunderstood him.

[EmeraldBullet]

I remember as a child, my aunt adopted a gray wolf for me with 'wolf-haven' that used to be in Olympia. Unfortunately they went bankrupt and was ordered to release their wolves into the wild. This is hard to say because I'm sure most here disagree, but I like that WA has wolves. One of only a few states that do. Coyotes on the other hand, go to town reducing their population....Just my opinion. 

[CAMPMEAT]

I remember as a child, my aunt adopted a gray wolf for me with 'wolf-haven' that used to be in Olympia. Unfortunately they went bankrupt and was ordered to release their wolves into the wild. This is hard to say because I'm sure most here disagree, but I like that WA has wolves. One of only a few states that do. Coyotes on the other hand, go to town reducing their population....Just my opinion.

You'll fit right in with the wolf lovers on here.

Welcome to the site and the ride you'll get...

[csaaphill]

Federal judge rejects wolf kills in state

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/12/21/federal-judge-rejects-wolf-kills-state/77725338/

Please include all facts when you post items like this to fire people up.  For example, the fact that lethal actions can and will still be taken on wolves in WA state.  Just not by Wildlife Services.  Lethal action will be done by WDFW.

WHATS This say?
In response, WDFW hired an $850,000 consultant to work with the pro-wolf heavy Wolf Advisory Group and is trying to form an advisory group to decide which ranchers should receive compensation. WDFW has also stopped making any lethal management decisions, demurring to the Wolf Advisory Group to decide when wolves should be removed. Governor Inslee also recently killed a provision from the Fish and Wildlife Commission that would have allowed for more cougar tags to be issued in 14 areas of the state to help alleviate pressure from predators.
As with your other statement as well you sound as if you believe that. Just like those that say "OH were not after your guns" BS.

[EmeraldBullet]

I remember as a child, my aunt adopted a gray wolf for me with 'wolf-haven' that used to be in Olympia. Unfortunately they went bankrupt and was ordered to release their wolves into the wild. This is hard to say because I'm sure most here disagree, but I like that WA has wolves. One of only a few states that do. Coyotes on the other hand, go to town reducing their population....Just my opinion.

You'll fit right in with the wolf lovers on here.

Welcome to the site and the ride you'll get...

HA, Even I admit my rationale is mostly emotional rather than logical. I know wolves cause a lot of damage in this state but I still like their presence. Thank you for the welcome to the site, it's good to be here. Already my favorite forum just given the topics and knowledge here.

[Elkaholic daWg]

I remember as a child, my aunt adopted a gray wolf for me with 'wolf-haven' that used to be in Olympia. Unfortunately they went bankrupt and was ordered to release their wolves into the wild. This is hard to say because I'm sure most here disagree, but I like that WA has wolves. One of only a few states that do. Coyotes on the other hand, go to town reducing their population....Just my opinion.

You'll fit right in with the wolf lovers on here.

Welcome to the site and the ride you'll get...

Here you go CAMPMEAT