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Crossbows
« on: January 23, 2009, 06:35:06 PM »
With the new proposal to make crossbows legal in firearm restriction areas,  is this going to pave the way to making them legal for use statewide? Or just during established firearm restricted areas during modern seasons or are they going to fall under primitive weapons status due to origions/limitations? Do you support the use of crossbows?
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 06:50:47 PM »
Only for disabled hunters and no other exceptions, period!

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 06:56:37 PM »
Only for disabled hunters and no other exceptions, period!

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Firearm restricted areas can use shotguns, muzzleloaders or a bow.

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 07:10:26 PM »



Firearm restricted areas can use shotguns, muzzleloaders or a bow.
[/quote] that is the reason for the question, I am an archer and I could use my bow in any unit and season (proper tag) will crossbows end up in the same category?
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 10:46:11 PM »
that is the reason for the question, I am an archer and I could use my bow in any unit and season (proper tag) will crossbows end up in the same category?

The way I read it in the proposal is they were going to let them be used in the firearm restricted areas only. To me that means only certain areas that are designated as such would you have the opportunity to use. I am going to go re-read what it says though.

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 11:10:26 PM »
In the proposal it states, "It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow, except in designated areas." I am not sure if they are going to create areas or not  :dunno: I also thought there was something stating you could use them in firearm restricted areas but I am not sure.

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009, 01:16:31 AM »
I understand the rule as it is written  now would be only in firearm restriction areas but we all know that it would only be a matter of time before that changes.
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 05:49:35 PM »
Crossbows I think are just more for target shooting and i really dont support them for hunting in washington state. It's more of a cheating way to archery hunt. i mean the bows are already getting way more high tech then the ones way back when. So i don't know. they are fun for target shooting.
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2009, 05:56:14 PM »
firearm restriction areas - cross bows with or without scopes or is it even addressed?  I didn't see it.

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 11:21:55 PM »
Crossbows I think are just more for target shooting and i really dont support them for hunting in washington state. It's more of a cheating way to archery hunt. i mean the bows are already getting way more high tech then the ones way back when. So i don't know. they are fun for target shooting.


There is no reason why crossbows should not be allowed for hunting. It doesn't better your odds of filling your tag and it sure as hell doesn't increase your shooting distance.

The same analogy you used could be said for rifle hunting.
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 11:27:34 PM »
crossbows have no place in WA hunting seasons...period.
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 11:36:18 PM »
Bows in general should have no place in Washington hunting seasons.
why do you think that?

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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 12:39:47 AM »
I don't, I was just hoping Bow4elk would read it and realize how retarded his post sounded. 

Sorry.  My comment was not clear and you're right, it sounded off base.  I should have been more clear.  It is my opinion/position that crossbows have no place in WA archery seasons.  I'm sick of the Mfrs and ATA pushing crossbows as archery equipment.  Archery is archery - a bow is a bow.  A crossbow is a cross between a gun and a bow.  It is "cocked" and not held at full draw by human energy.  A crossbow fails to meet the definition of a bow, thus, it has no business being adopted as such.  I'm not some stuffy elitist.  I just think it's a different category of equipment.  It's no different that the airlines asking you to sign a firearms release form when checking a bow - I refuse to do that.  I'm not signing something that says my bow is a gun.  [Yes, I've had to fight this point with several airlines!]

The Pope and Young Club has established the following standard definitions of bowhunting equipment.

I. Hunting Bow

A. A hunting bow for big game shall be a longbow, flat bow, recurve bow, compound bow or any combination of these designs meeting the following requirements and restrictions:

1. A device for launching an arrow, which derives its propulsive energy solely from the bending and recovery of two limbs.
2. The bow must be hand drawn by a single and direct, uninterrupted pulling action of the shooter. The bowstring must be moved from brace height to the full draw position by the muscle power of the shooter’s body. The energy used to propel the arrow shall not be derived from any other source such as hydraulic, pneumatic, mechanical or similar devices. These limitations shall not exclude the mechanical leverage advantage provided by eccentric wheels or cams so long as the available energy stored in the bent limbs of the bow is the sole result of a single, continuous, and direct pulling effort by the shooter.
3. The bow must be hand-held. One hand shall hold the bow and the other hand draw the bowstring. The bowstring must be moved and/or held at all points in the draw cycle entirely by the muscle power of the shooter until release. The bowstring must be released as a direct and conscious action of the shooter’s eiter relaxing the tension of the fingers or triggering the release action of a hand-held release aid.
4. The bow shall be no shorter than 30 inches.

B. Exceptions: Physically handicapped bowhunters shall be excepted from the requirements of holding or shooting the bow with their hands.

C. Exclusions:

1. The following shall not be considered a hunting bow:

a) A crossbow.
b) Any device with a gun-type stock or incorporating any device or mechanism that holds the bowstring at partial or full draw without the shooter’s muscle power.
c) Electronic or battery-powered devices shall not be attached to a hunting bow.
d) No portion of the bow’s riser (handle) or any track, trough, channel or other device that attaches directly to the bow’s riser shall contact, support, and/or guide the arrow from a point rearward of the bow’s brace height.

D. Let-Off for Compound Bows:

1. Definition of let-off: That characteristic of a bow that results in a reduction of the force necessary to increase the draw length after the highest level of draw force has been reached. This is characteristic generally associated with, but not restricted to, compound bows.
2. The maximum let-off on a compound bow shall be measured at a point in the draw cycle after the peak draw weight has been attained. It shall be measured near the end of the draw cycle where the minimum holding force is reached. This point in the draw cycle on a compound bow is known as "the bottom of the valley."
3. Determination of the percent of let-off: The values of the peak draw force and the let-off force shall be used to calculate the percent of let-off. The peak force is the maximum force obtained during the draw cycle. The let-off force is the lowest force reached following the peak force during a single uninterrupted draw cycle. In all cases, both the highest and lowest force shall be read from a scale during a single and continual pull condition, without relaxation. This technique eliminates the introduction of hysteresis, which can distort the reading.
% Let-off = 100 X [(Peak Draw Force) - (Minimum Holding Force)] / (Peak Draw Force)
4. Effective January 1, 2004, animals taken with bows have nominal percent of let-off greater than 65 percent shall be listed with an asterisk (*) in the Records. It is recognized that variations in draw length and/or draw weight can affect the percent of let-off on compound bows. For these reasons minor variations in let-off are acceptable.
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 07:53:36 AM »
There are crossbow seasons in some states where anyone can participate, why not Washington ??
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Re: Crossbows
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 07:57:52 AM »
There are crossbow seasons in some states where anyone can participate, why not Washington ??

Probably because we already have limited seasons for all user groups, would you really want to add another user group to the equation? All the user groups would stand to lose some of their season to accomodate another user group. Just my  :twocents:

 


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