Best AR going ?

[JDHasty]

I know when my triggers going to break. Being 6lbs or 8oz, makes no difference to me. I shoot them the same. I do prefer a good trigger but I'll give up nothing in the accuracy department barrel wise due to a trigger when assembling a AR. Then again I haven't shot a factory barrel AR in quite awhile.

If I am set up on a predator set I can shoot off a bipod if the target comes in from the front and the trigger is not as important.  But if a coyote is trying to get downwind they could show anywhere and being able to quickly get off a shot, shooting offhand or off a knee is where trigger control, above all else, is what matters to me.  The other thing is on a moving target trigger control is paramount.

This topic used to come up with regularity when I shot high power and silhouette and the consensus opinion was that unless a person had a quality trigger that so long as their rifle was capable of being shot off the bench into a couple inches at a hundred yards the first place to spend money was on trigger work or a trigger. 

Both of these disciplines have an established minimum trigger pull and it is not so much the trigger weight, but the trigger action. 

Generally speaking, from my experience, ARs with a factory barrel are capable of an inch +- at a hundred yards with a little ammo selection.  Barrels like race horses and a horse that wins races is considerably more expensive (tens or hundreds of times so)  than one that runs well but finishes in the field, although the difference in elapsed time over the course of a race is not that great. So too with rifle barrels. A Lilja blank will cost three to ten times what another lesser barrel costs and in the case of a factory barrel the  manufacturers pay much less than you would think.   The setup cost varies according to the precision of the chambering and the gun smithing.

In the case of an AR what you are paying big dollars for in a barrel, when you start with a factory barrel that shoots .8 inch groups with custom handloads, is to shave a quarter inch off of that. 

I can see immediate results that will halve or quarter the shot displacement I have the ability to deliver in the field with a $200+- trigger change out on an AR.  That is how it was when I was shooting high power and silhouette  matches and there were people keeping score on a course of fire in those arenas.   Very few people showed up with a rifle that did not possess sufficient inherent accuracy to win, but none the same a lot of people struggled with being able to close the deal.         

[Biggerhammer]

If it's working for you by all means don't change a thing.

[actionshooter]

I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts.... 

[Biggerhammer]

I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts.... 

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches! 

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs.

[yorketransport]

Barrel first. With twist being a major factor

Trigger and bolt next. I like the Rock River two stage and see no need for the other high end triggers. Bolts are very important(to me). They need to be square and made of the proper material.

Rest is fluff

Wasn't I going to spend a bunch of money on some overpriced trigger for an AR that I'll never actually build? And my bolt's not square at all it's rounded! I've been hustled!!!

[JDHasty]

I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts.... 

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches! 

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs.

I am saying that value/dollar spent a quality trigger upgrade is going to deliver more down range than a barrel will.  I am saying that a trigger upgrade will do deliver greater benefit/cost to make you competitive than almost any other big dollar modification. 

When I was a lad the model 52 ruled the smallbore game.  It had little or nothing on a model 37 accuracy wise off a bench, but it had the superb micro motion trigger and that is what made it so popular.  There were other ways to go and Kenyon made aftermarket triggers that fit Mosbergs, lesser Winchesters & Remingtons as well as the 37, Savages and perhaps others.  Outside of the 37, none of these match rifles were as inherently accurate, but with a trigger upgrade they all could and would be competitive.  Without a better trigger, only the 37 was really competitive at the higher levels of the game, but they were not nearly as often in the winners circle.

What I am going to add is that once a competitor had advanced to that level most shot 52s.  But until they had a trigger that could be mastered, and I mean mastered at that level in competition, and had mastered trigger control, a less accurate rifle was not a significant hindrance. 

IIRC Ron Kesselring shot a Remington 513 with a significantly upgraded trigger for many years.  It may not have been a 513, but it was a Remington and it was not a 37, but it was enough gun once the trigger was suitable.         

[Biggerhammer]

Barrel first. With twist being a major factor

Trigger and bolt next. I like the Rock River two stage and see no need for the other high end triggers. Bolts are very important(to me). They need to be square and made of the proper material.

Rest is fluff

Wasn't I going to spend a bunch of money on some overpriced trigger for an AR that I'll never actually build? And my bolt's not square at all it's rounded! I've been hustled!!!

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

[actionshooter]

I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts.... 

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches! 

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs.

 Damn....... I have been doing it wrong 

[yorketransport]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

[Biggerhammer]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

You should just send it to me and burden yourself with something more technical. A drunk Girl Scout can assemble a AR and purchase a quality trigger off EBAY in a matter of minutes.

[jay.sharkbait]

I'm not going to say which is most important on my match rifle, its a "system" and I don't skimp on parts.... 

Haven't you been reading? You can run a factory XXX brand barrel and just toss a aftermarket trigger in it and your off to dominating/sweeping matches! 

Sometimes you have to pay to play with the big frogs.

I am saying that value/dollar spent a quality trigger upgrade is going to deliver more down range than a barrel will.  I am saying that a trigger upgrade will do deliver greater benefit/cost to make you competitive than almost any other big dollar modification. 

When I was a lad the model 52 ruled the smallbore game.  It had little or nothing on a model 37 accuracy wise off a bench, but it had the superb micro motion trigger and that is what made it so popular.  There were other ways to go and Kenyon made aftermarket triggers that fit Mosbergs, lesser Winchesters & Remingtons as well as the 37, Savages and perhaps others.  Outside of the 37, none of these match rifles were as inherently accurate, but with a trigger upgrade they all could and would be competitive.  Without a better trigger, only the 37 was really competitive at the higher levels of the game, but they were not nearly as often in the winners circle.

What I am going to add is that once a competitor had advanced to that level most shot 52s.  But until they had a trigger that could be mastered, and I mean mastered at that level in competition, and had mastered trigger control, a less accurate rifle was not a significant hindrance.       

Wow, and now I feel bad as I had to slum it with a hand me down 513T

[actionshooter]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

You should just send it to me and burden yourself with something more technical. A drunk Girl Scout can assemble a AR and purchase a quality trigger off EBAY in a matter of minutes.

 I would hold on to it for now, the price of scrap has been going back up

[jay.sharkbait]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec 

[Biggerhammer]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec 

I had first dibs ya shark!

[jay.sharkbait]

Send me that bolt on the right in the photo Yorke, along with the extension to match!

I don't want to burden you with my second rate parts. Maybe I'll just throw this bolt away and build a 300 blackout instead so I can use normal parts.

I feel responsible and dare I say guilty(not really).

I'll take that clearly out of spec bolt AND extension and replace it with something Mil ahem... Spec 

I had first dibs ya shark!

I really comes down to a safety/ethics thing. Look at the ejector. It's in the wrong spot.... Something is horribly wrong!