Apparently 594 isn't tracking as many guns as they expected

[bobcat]

Can't list guns for sale on Craig's list. If I sold a gun it would probably be to someone from this site, or I'd sell to someone out of state and ship to their FFL. Which, by the way, I've found shipping a gun is often more profitable since guns seem to sell easier and at higher prices in other states, and the buyer pays the shipping and FFL fee.

[Knocker of rocks]

Now obviously you would (or should) know if your buddy is a felon

Not always, I've found out that more than one person I am and was friends with got assault III many years ago.  I knew both of them at the time, and I think they just kept the whole thing private.

[krout81]

Unless your serial number was manufactured after I-594 took effect, or purchased by the person you buy it from after that Date there is no way to prove you didn't buy it before the law took effect right?
There is no requirement to have proof of purchase on you at all times is there?   

People will continue to pass guns back and forth to save the cost of the check right?  

[bobcat]

Or you could have just bought the gun from a private party in another state. 

[Hi-Liter]

If a hunter is selling a gun to another hunter, who ALREADY has guns, what's the point of doing a background check? Come on, it's common sense.

There are some felons who have WA rifle hunting licenses and legally cannot possess firearms. WDFW's licensing system does not check criminal records.

So just because someone has a hunting license doesn't mean they can legally possess firearms.

I said if they already have guns. So say I know someone with a safe full of guns, that they hunt with every year. I have an extra bolt action 30/06- why shouldn't I sell it to them without a background check?

I know what your saying. Every year WDFW busts felons hunting with guns who have a rifle hunting license, and most have more than 1 gun sitting at home.

I'm not pro-594 but simply assuming that since a guy hunts with a gun and thus must be legally able to possess a gun is flawed.

Now obviously you would (or should) know if your buddy is a felon. But if it's a random guy you meet on craigslist who is looking for a new hunting rifle you never know...

I also believe the statue states that a person found guilty of a Misdemeanor Domestic Violence charge in WA state cannot legally own/handle firearms until they meet all the criteria to have their gun rights resorted in court. So, I am assuming that many people who hunt who maybe had this happen to them in the past may not know that they cannot posses firearms, therefore selling/giving/transfer under 594 is a crime.

[jstone]

So i bought a hunting rifle from my sister 20 years ago and never registered it to my name. Am i a criminal?? Do i have to pay money to do it?

[bobcat]

So i bought a hunting rifle from my sister 20 years ago and never registered it to my name. Am i a criminal?? Do i have to pay money to do it?

No such thing as gun registration in this state, at least not yet!

[Hi-Liter]

So i bought a hunting rifle from my sister 20 years ago and never registered it to my name. Am i a criminal?? Do i have to pay money to do it?

In My Opinion No because it was before 594 took into law last year. Also, I believe under the 594 provision you can buy/sell/transfer to immediate family member w/o transferring the rifle thru an FFL dealer.

[Hi-Liter]

So i bought a hunting rifle from my sister 20 years ago and never registered it to my name. Am i a criminal?? Do i have to pay money to do it?

No such thing as gun registration in this state, at least not yet!

I believe when you buy a pistol from a FFL dealer the pistol is registered thru WA state, but not positive on that one. I think since about 1994 this has been the case. Funny, how when 594 was pushed to vote for it, the people pushing the initiative didn't even talk/state this to the public.

[Knocker of rocks]

So i bought a hunting rifle from my sister 20 years ago and never registered it to my name. Am i a criminal?? Do i have to pay money to do it?

You really should know that the answer is no.

[bobcat]

Yes they do keep track of handgun sales, but that's still not what I would call registration.

A lot of people now have this misconception that since 594 passed all guns need to be registered.

Simplest thing is to tell them there is NO gun registration in Washington state.

[Fl0und3rz]

I'm willing to bet that there are still plenty of person to person sales between responsible adults that are not getting registered.

That and there are plenty of sales/transfers that would have occurred but for the need to get yourself or your firearms "registered."  I could have plenty of off book firearms that I might consider trading stock or want to use to experience other firearms/cartridges/etc.   

All that is in the past for me. 

I will only sell on book firearms, and I will not bother buying in the used market unless the deal is too smoking hot to pass up.   There is just not as much benefit over buying new as there used to be without all the mandatory FFL nonsense. 

[Stein]

How many people don't even know about the law or requirements?

[ghosthunter]

I'm willing to bet that there are still plenty of person to person sales between responsible adults that are not getting registered.

I think that the recent moves by Obummer and our governor this week will increase a black market for guns. Where otherwise legal gun owners are selling to each other , for no other reason than to keep the government in the dark. Because of mis-trust. When you get a guy making up rules on his own, its a little scary.

Sooner or later they are going to get around to FORCED BUY BACK OR CONFICATION. There simply is no other way to achieve what they want.

[Fl0und3rz]

Sooner or later they are going to get around to FORCED BUY BACK OR CONFICATION. There simply is no other way to achieve what they want.

That's why off book firearms are so much more valuable to me now.  I won't consider selling or transferring them now, until I move out of state.