White Pass outfitters

[2MANY]

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[White Pass Outfitters]

Sure wish you guys would have your facts straight before you start making any accusations.
I have never over crowded any area, and most of you are thinking of Jerry Jefferson past owner of pacific crest outfitters.
And its not about money, no one becomes an outfitter for the money. Its so I can help a few people get into the back country and enjoy the solitude.
Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter!!! 

[White Pass Outfitters]

So if any one of you desk jockeys want to call me out, anywhere, anytime.
Sure gets old all you diy hunters bad mouthing the outfitters, you guys might spend a couple weeks in the Mtns. While im up there cutting trails and cleaning up half the junk that a lot of DIY LEAVE BEHIND. So if any one has a problem with WPO please give me a call. Thanks to all the positive people. and the rest of you can pack your own Bulls out.

[h20hunter]

Pretty sure? Pretty harsh comment if you are only pretty sure. Don't we have a fairly new forum guideline about disparaging comments like that.

[2MANY]

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Money talks and Bullsnot walks.

As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.
As far as clearing trails goes WPO's..... I have cleared trails up there for the past 40 years and anyone that is cutting blow downs out of the way is appreciated. Blow downs and limbs sticking out are a common cause of pack string chaos.

I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?

[Naches Sportsman]

pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.

Ruined "your" elk area.  What area on the USFS lands was yours?  Private property?  Didn't think so.  Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.

Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.

[2MANY]

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Money talks and Bullsnot walks.

As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.


I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?

No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.

I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?

[teanawayslayer]

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Money talks and Bullsnot walks.

As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.


I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?

No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.

I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?

hand saw only in the wilderness

[2MANY]

pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.

Ruined "your" elk area.  What area on the USFS lands was yours?  Private property?  Didn't think so.  Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.

Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.

WDFW has an answer for this.
It's called Quality hunts..............Limited tags.........Draw or don't go.
Their management continues to limit our "opportunity".

[2MANY]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Money talks and Bullsnot walks.

As far as WPO's camp placement goes I cannot speak.


I'm just curious, as an outfitter are you allowed to use a chainsaw in the wilderness?

No. That's illegal. Can't run motorized equipment in the wilderness.

I've heard they make an exception for trail clearing but I don't know that's why I asked.
Obviously fire crews do?

Have to get permission.

Exactly.

[buglebuster]

I'm sorry to offend anyone, but when you run into a couple groups of hunters in an area you've never seen a soul, and they tell you the exact name, white pass outfitters. Its hard to make that up lol. Unless the other outfitter is telling them to use tour name? But I don't think that's the case.
 I'm actually not to worried about it all, I've moves on to greener pastures.

[theleo]

pretty sure hes the one that ruined one of our elk areas, due to all the drop camps he started doing.

Ruined "your" elk area.  What area on the USFS lands was yours?  Private property?  Didn't think so.  Take your sniveling somewhere else, there might be a city park in Seattle you can occupy.

Buglebuster has a point. Was the wilderness meant to have every father and son parking at the the trailhead and walking in? No. One of the concerns I and many others have about outfitters being allowed in the wilderness is the risk of an area having too much traffic in the years to come. Wildernesses should be kept pristine. A lot of people will say "hey, we should hunt here from now on" after being guided on a hunt, and as a result, year after year, the area starts becoming more populated with hunters.

Here's the flip side to the coin:
If you want pristine wilderness that means that the human presence be kept to a minimum. If that happens, how do you expect people to have the broader public have a vested interest on what goes on there? The Forest Service already has a minimal budget for trail clearing and maintenance, if even fewer care on down the road, at what point will they just give up maintenance on anything in the Wilderness areas? The more people there are to tell their elected officials on what needs to happen the better off we are. Few people take into consideration (here on the east side) that our forests with massive fuel loads are not what was here around the time of the pioneers. The forests were mainly pines with open grass underneath, the white furs were minimal. That wilderness was not inspite of man, but because the natives would regularly set fire to the under growth. They cared about the forest and the animals which they hunted and lived off of. Today there's fewer people caring about the forests and the forests show it. I've kicked around in a few designated "Wilderness" areas and from what I've seen is they lack management tools that "Back Country" areas do and are worse off for it. The notion of "pristine" wilderness is a pipe dream and not very conducive to healthy forest management.   

[White Pass Outfitters]

What a lot of you DIY dont realize I cant control the illegal outfitters in the area. I know of 4 working the area now and they dont play by the rules because the FS does nothing about it. The guide lines I have to follow are a lot stricter than the rules for a DIY HUNTER. I'M watched all the time and my camps are checked on more than anyone's.
As an outfitter I cant over camp an area, if my clients aren't getting game or seeing game then my business would go under. And I sure would like to know wear your hunting in the st of wa and not use to seeing a soul. I've   hunted,guided and outfitted in the goat rocks and William o Douglas for yrs. And unless youve got horses and mules you should not be hunting wear my camps are because your meat will spoil before you can get it out.
Thanks again for the positive feed back from most of you.
I will be at the Yakima sportsmens show and would really like to meet some of you guys.  Good luck this year; Fair Chase Wilderness Hunts Only For The Real Hunter 
   

[boneaddict]

If I go, I'll swing by.

[boneaddict]

Naches, there are areas that have been permitted and have had hunting camps for decades.  They aren't ruined.  It's not like a river run.