5 cent per round STATE Tax

[Fl0und3rz]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Yay, you.  Way to take nothing for the team!   

[JimmyHoffa]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

The way the electoral college is set up, the people in Idaho will look at you and see a Hillary voter.

[westsidehntr]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? 

[lokidog]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

 

The full timers here wouldn't want it either.....

[Torrent50]

I live in Rochester........I don't think that's really Hillary country.  lol

[theleo]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Yay, you.  Way to take nothing for the team!

Thanks. Very few people appreciate the willingness to throw others under the bus... on the east side anyways. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Yay, you.  Way to take nothing for the team!

Thanks. Very few people appreciate the willingness to throw others under the bus... on the east side anyways. 

lol

[Torrent50]

The reply I received from Ed Orcutt

My estimate of the impact of this bill is that if twelve billion rounds are sold in the US annually and we estimate that Washington is approximately 2% of the population, then we would expect approximately 240 million rounds to be sold in our state. At a $0.05 tax (let's call this what it really is: a tax -- not a "fee"), then we would expect it to raise $12,000,000 per year. If we divide that just by the 39 counties in our state, each would get an average of $308,000/year -- that would be enough for 3 more officers in each county (assuming $100,000 in pay, benefits, etc per officer). If we divide that among the 39 counties AND 281 cities and towns, it would average $37,500/ municipality -- that may be enough to enable some municipalities to hire an additional officer but only if they had enough of their own money to fund 2/3 of an officer, but not enough for most to hire an additional officer.

So, that is what it would raise -- assuming that customers in areas adjacent to Oregon or Idaho would still buy ammunition in Washington rather than crossing to another state to purchase it, but, I expect many would cross the border to buy (they cross to avoid sales tax, liquor tax, cigarette tax, gas tax, etc. so it is reasonable to expect they would cross to avoid this tax as well).

But, is this a fair tax? I suggest not. Even with the burden put on law enforcement by those who use guns irresponsibly, we do not need law enforcement to regulate those who use guns and ammunition responsibly. Furthermore, there are a huge number of crimes committed or police calls made that are unrelated to guns which would not be taxed. So, this appears to be a tax that unfairly singles out a certain sector of our society.

Furthermore, if law enforcement is so important (which it is) then it should be funded from existing revenue -- not be reliant on a new tax. I believe that we must prioritize our current revenue and provide services within existing revenues. And, I certainly oppose infringement on our 2nd amendment rights by targeting ammunition to pay for law enforcement to respond to all types of calls -- even those where no gun has been used.

I will not be supporting this bill and will work to defeat it.

Representative Ed Orcutt
20th Legislative District
 
408 John L. O'Brien Building
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
O ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov
e 360.786.7990

[theleo]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? 

Cant risk insurgents coming in. You've been sacrificed, get over it and buy a Subaru. 

[Spuddieselwwu]

Let's just secede.

Says the guy who lives in King County

I'd move, don't worry.

[westsidehntr]

Let's just secede.

Just run the line down the crest of the Cascades down to California border with Oregon. East side Oregonians have no love for the west side politics either.

Don't lump me in with the "New California" group.  I'm on the west side and I want nothing to do with their crap either.

Look on the bright side at least I'm not discriminating against you because of your gender, race, creed or religion. Just the fact that by looking at the numbers, along with your geographical location, you and/or your neighbors will vote for these sort of Hillary 2016'esq sort of bills. I know we will lose a few good people but I'm willing to sacrifice you guys. 

Can us down in the SW corner come with you guys? Cowlitz and Clark are pretty conservative. Please??? 

Cant risk insurgents coming in. You've been sacrificed, get over it and buy a Subaru. 

I'll be a spy for you guys.

[Bango skank]

Ill buy ammo in idaho if this passes.  I mean its just a dollar on a box of 20, but still, screw that. 

[skeeter 20i]

The State of Lincoln doesn't look so bad now.   

[Bob33]

The bill is secretly endorsed by Sportsmen's Warehouse in Portland, Midway Shooters Supply, and Graf and Sons.

[huntnphool]

The bill is secretly endorsed by Sportsmen's Warehouse in Portland, Midway Shooters Supply, and Graf and Sons.

 Link?