Anti-Drone Rounds

[WoodlandShooter]

I think a good old 3" mag bird hunting load would work just fine.

[CP]

I think a good old 3" mag bird hunting load would work just fine.

 

Some good old-fashion #2 lead shot

[Ice Cap]

To many freedoms with drones and it will be a great way for people to mess with your hunting or other personal freedoms.

Hmm kinda sounds to me like you contradicted yourself. So having the freedom, to fly a drone for whatever reason... May mess with your freedom?
So your saying I shouldn't have the freedom to have freedom?
Kinda lost me there.
So just to throw this out there, If one of you shoot's down a lets say for example DJI Phantom 3 with new cameras, gimbals, etc.. Your looking at $1800+ easy.
So at that point your possibly facing 1st degree destruction of property and or 1st degree malicious mischief. Whether or not you would be convicted of it is a different story. By why bother, cause there's a hovering toy in the neighborhood?
1st Degree Malicious Mischief.
1. Caused physical damage to someone else’s property where the damage was valued at more than $1,500,
2. Caused an interruption or impairment of public service by damaging or tampering with an emergency vehicle, property of the state, a public utility, public transportation, power, or communication, or
3. Caused an impairment of safety or efficiency of an aircraft by damaging or tampering with the equipment, fuel, lubricant, or parts.
According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft. 

If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!

FAR Part 91.119   Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

[Becky]

I have a right to privacy...and a drone out side my window is a direct invasion of that

If you don't plan on spying on me then you shouldn't have to worry bout your drone getting shot down

How can he spy with a camera-less "drone"? How will you guys tell the difference between ones flying around with or without cameras? They used to be fun toys until the camera attachments got involved lol.

Why would a drone with out a camera be spying on me ? I could care less about people that use there drones with good intentions..it's kind of cool in some ways...but i believe there's a time and a place for them and my backyard is not one of them..I also feel my right to privacy is more important than "your" right to spy on me.
So the "property" that your using to spy on me is now just an accessory to the crime

 I consider this a slippery slope with property rights...and don't see the angle on why someone should be able to fly a drone on my property..I don't pay property tax for other people to pester me...so I'm going to shoot it down

It's just my opinion but i think there is big portion of the population agrees with me so I can't be too far off

 

You were responding to predatorpro right? Or at least it sounded like it and he was talking about flying his copter that doesn't have a camera.

Some of you guys live in neighborhoods like brought up, if people are so paranoid about all flying toys camera or not that's not good. What one person thinks is spying on them because of all the media hype where like a couple years ago people were genuinely interested in seeing the little toys flying around.

There just needs to be a little less paranoia the second someone sees a toy. Are they literally hovering 2 feet from your window (that's about the radius some of these cameras need to actually get a view of a person) or is it someone in your neighborhood flying straight up to get an aerial view. Some people start to flip out the second they see one just because that's what TV has told them to do, just curious if any of you have personally had one spying on you or had one show up at your 10 acre home? I'm not trying to argue anyone's opinion I'm genuinely asking. What based your opinion, something you seen on TV/read about or did you actually get spied on.

I'm in the middle, I don't even own one so I'm not being biased. If I see one outside my window literally then heck yea I'd be upset but if I see one flying over head heading down the road I'm not going to go grab a shotgun and chase it down. Google Earth sees my house just as close as most of these drones can. They don't zoom, if it's a gopro setup then you definitely aren't seeing people unless you're 20 feet in proximity to them.

They make fantastic aerial scenery videos, that's pretty much all.

[Becky]

To many freedoms with drones and it will be a great way for people to mess with your hunting or other personal freedoms.

Hmm kinda sounds to me like you contradicted yourself. So having the freedom, to fly a drone for whatever reason... May mess with your freedom?
So your saying I shouldn't have the freedom to have freedom?
Kinda lost me there.
So just to throw this out there, If one of you shoot's down a lets say for example DJI Phantom 3 with new cameras, gimbals, etc.. Your looking at $1800+ easy.
So at that point your possibly facing 1st degree destruction of property and or 1st degree malicious mischief. Whether or not you would be convicted of it is a different story. By why bother, cause there's a hovering toy in the neighborhood?
1st Degree Malicious Mischief.
1. Caused physical damage to someone else’s property where the damage was valued at more than $1,500,
2. Caused an interruption or impairment of public service by damaging or tampering with an emergency vehicle, property of the state, a public utility, public transportation, power, or communication, or
3. Caused an impairment of safety or efficiency of an aircraft by damaging or tampering with the equipment, fuel, lubricant, or parts.
According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft. 

If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!

FAR Part 91.119   Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

Pretty sure He didn't refer to them as one, he copied the guidelines for 1st degree malicious mischief.

"According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft.  " is all he said. Which, there are lots of members who have brought that up as being so.

[Bob33]

The FAA considers a drone as part of an “Unmanned Aircraft System”, or “UAS”. The drone itself is considered an “Unmanned Aircraft”, or “UA”.

There are specific and unique requirements and guidelines pertaining to their use.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/faq/

[Ice Cap]

To many freedoms with drones and it will be a great way for people to mess with your hunting or other personal freedoms.

Hmm kinda sounds to me like you contradicted yourself. So having the freedom, to fly a drone for whatever reason... May mess with your freedom?
So your saying I shouldn't have the freedom to have freedom?
Kinda lost me there.
So just to throw this out there, If one of you shoot's down a lets say for example DJI Phantom 3 with new cameras, gimbals, etc.. Your looking at $1800+ easy.
So at that point your possibly facing 1st degree destruction of property and or 1st degree malicious mischief. Whether or not you would be convicted of it is a different story. By why bother, cause there's a hovering toy in the neighborhood?
1st Degree Malicious Mischief.
1. Caused physical damage to someone else’s property where the damage was valued at more than $1,500,
2. Caused an interruption or impairment of public service by damaging or tampering with an emergency vehicle, property of the state, a public utility, public transportation, power, or communication, or
3. Caused an impairment of safety or efficiency of an aircraft by damaging or tampering with the equipment, fuel, lubricant, or parts.
According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft. 

If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!

FAR Part 91.119   Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

Pretty sure He didn't refer to them as one, he copied the guidelines for 1st degree malicious mischief.

"According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft.  " is all he said. Which, there are lots of members who have brought that up as being so.

I posted that strictly for informational purposes but it was nice of you to respond for him!

[Becky]

What if.... you had a rare bird on your property? Fair game then?

I'm all about the notion that private property is private, just know what you're looking at in terms of drones. Camera/no camera/is it actually close to see your property etc.

The thought is just all over the map.  On this thread we have majority saying do not video/take pictures of anything on my property then on here we have "that guy can't control what pictures are taken on his property!" ..
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,189782.0/all.html

[Becky]

I posted that strictly for informational purposes but it was nice of you to respond for him!

Thanks for the information.

And yup anytime!  I responded earlier for predatorpro too or did you miss that? I'm just a responding away.

[runamuk]

I think drones are sort of the "new" binoculars/scopes/telescopes "oh my gawd someone is watching me" of today.  Reality I can watch you in your yard with my hunting binos if I choose to, I don't.  Believe it or not 99% of people out there do not even know you exist let alone have any desire to spy on you.  Game cameras pose the same problem strangers taking pictures of me when I don't expect to be photographed its an incredibly violating thing to know is in the woods, where I used to go for peace and solace.  Now I worry there is a stupid camera behind every tree.  Heck a drone I can see and will know its there at least those I stand a chance of avoiding.  Game cameras not so much photographed without my consent is bothersome.

I will voyeur the heck out of you people on the boats in front of my house as do the other 100 plus houses on the hill behind me.    Boaters are fair game we wanna see what you all are catching and oggle your boats.  You have been warned. 


I know a guy who is building and doing custom paint and flying drones, he gets some cool footage of the greater Monte area.  The old cooling towers look cool beans from drone perspective.

He's a heck of a good painter and artist isn't he. The pictures I've seen make it look like pretty interesting hobby, but mostly to take interesting pictures and get a Birdseye view of the land you can't normally see. I understand why people don't want them on their private property

He is also a really nice guy and a stellar custom body work guy.  I would not hesitate to send someone to him.  For drones or custom paint.

[Bob33]

To many freedoms with drones and it will be a great way for people to mess with your hunting or other personal freedoms.

Hmm kinda sounds to me like you contradicted yourself. So having the freedom, to fly a drone for whatever reason... May mess with your freedom?
So your saying I shouldn't have the freedom to have freedom?
Kinda lost me there.
So just to throw this out there, If one of you shoot's down a lets say for example DJI Phantom 3 with new cameras, gimbals, etc.. Your looking at $1800+ easy.
So at that point your possibly facing 1st degree destruction of property and or 1st degree malicious mischief. Whether or not you would be convicted of it is a different story. By why bother, cause there's a hovering toy in the neighborhood?
1st Degree Malicious Mischief.
1. Caused physical damage to someone else’s property where the damage was valued at more than $1,500,
2. Caused an interruption or impairment of public service by damaging or tampering with an emergency vehicle, property of the state, a public utility, public transportation, power, or communication, or
3. Caused an impairment of safety or efficiency of an aircraft by damaging or tampering with the equipment, fuel, lubricant, or parts.
According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft. 

If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!

FAR Part 91.119   Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

Several of the FAA guidelines for drones are contrary to these. For example, drones should not be flown above 400 feet.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/
http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/for-recreational-users/

[Ice Cap]

To many freedoms with drones and it will be a great way for people to mess with your hunting or other personal freedoms.

Hmm kinda sounds to me like you contradicted yourself. So having the freedom, to fly a drone for whatever reason... May mess with your freedom?
So your saying I shouldn't have the freedom to have freedom?
Kinda lost me there.
So just to throw this out there, If one of you shoot's down a lets say for example DJI Phantom 3 with new cameras, gimbals, etc.. Your looking at $1800+ easy.
So at that point your possibly facing 1st degree destruction of property and or 1st degree malicious mischief. Whether or not you would be convicted of it is a different story. By why bother, cause there's a hovering toy in the neighborhood?
1st Degree Malicious Mischief.
1. Caused physical damage to someone else’s property where the damage was valued at more than $1,500,
2. Caused an interruption or impairment of public service by damaging or tampering with an emergency vehicle, property of the state, a public utility, public transportation, power, or communication, or
3. Caused an impairment of safety or efficiency of an aircraft by damaging or tampering with the equipment, fuel, lubricant, or parts.
According to the FAA a drone is an aircraft. 

If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!

FAR Part 91.119   Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

Several of the FAA guidelines for drones are contrary to these. For example, drones should not be flown above 400 feet.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/
http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/for-recreational-users/

That would be why I prefaced the information with this
"If You are going to refer to a drone as an aircraft then the FAA has some rules about safe operation!"

[predatorpro]

So all rc hobbyist should have their freedom taken away because some people are scared of toys with cameras...just like how some people are scared of ar 15s...

[EmeraldBullet]

Those "GENERAL" Guidelines are NOT laws and do not include EVERY type of aircraft. Hot Air Balloons for instance do not follow those guidelines. Those are suggestions for general fixed wing aircraft.

However, doing any action which inhibits the safe operation of an aircraft is a federal felony. Forget the debate about whether or not you would have to pay for the drone if you shot it down, you could go to prison and not be allowed to carry firearms for the rest of your life.

I am not saying this is the way it should be, but this is the way it is.

[Fl0und3rz]

On point for what this thread has become.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/style/neighbors-drones-invade-privacy.html