New Elk Starving Videos Mt Saint Helens.

[KillzElk]

Looks to me that some people have been informed about this , I saw a flayers  at the Sportsman warehouse MMM. I wonder if that is what happened, bbarnes where do you have info about feeding the Elk at . Can you please inform all of us ? Is that possable   

[Little Dave]

Based on what I read (sound doesnt work here), it would be a great idea if you have the time to rewrite the script for the video, perhaps choose just a few key facts to keep.  Lose the statements which direct blame and use that time instead to articulate your plan.

This is just my opinion, but I do not feel comfortable supporting organizations which do not appreciate and respect the important distinction between the terms conservation and preservation.

[KillzElk]

I like that plan I feel the same way it would clear up a few thing, But the scrip has been done Sound has caused a problem correct . MMM Maybe if there is another one posted with the right facts on it it will be more understanding I do agree to that ..

[bbarnes]

"If you are not part of the solution your part of the problem"

What are you doing to insure that there will be elk available to hunt in the future?

Also, if you have got the hook up on Alfalfa for $150 a ton why don't you give the guy a call!

 Guns4Fun.Give us a call if you can get abetter price MSHR BBARNES

[KillzElk]

"If you are not part of the solution your part of the problem"

What are you doing to insure that there will be elk available to hunt in the future?

Also, if you have got the hook up on Alfalfa for $150 a ton why don't you give the guy a call!
 Guns4Fun.Give us a call if you can get abetter price MSHR BBARNES

I am confused here who do I call, You don't make any sense here.. Call you or Guns4Fun?   Call you at what number ?

[bbarnes]

"If you are not part of the solution your part of the problem"

What are you doing to insure that there will be elk available to hunt in the future?

Also, if you have got the hook up on Alfalfa for $150 a ton why don't you give the guy a call!

I am definitely not part of the problem.  I don't have any hookups.  All he has to do is buy his hay in El lensburg and he can get it for that cheap.  You ask what am I doing to insure there are elk in the future.  Myself and Frank are putting together a group to put a stop to all the Indian poaching that goes on for starters.  So maybe the mature bulls will make it through the winter without being shot off the back of  a snowmobile.  What are you doing to insure that there will be elk available to hunt in the future?

 Colockumelk.Myself and many other have attended every planning and development meeting in the two counties that surround the mt .We have helped reduce much of these developments and stopped many, raising concerns about habitat winter areas and breeding areas,for the wild life.We have been on a full on protest about this area turning into,a national park. I have collected over 12,500 signatures saying no national parks to keep our public lands public so we can continue to use this land.The Columbia land trust has just purchased 20,000 acres open to the public,with our help and we have also participated in many parades raising awareness.The most important thing we did was took state politions on two field trips on the north and south side to educate them on the problems and mismanagement.

[FrankDown]

I dont think that any of us doubt your sentiment for the land and area around the mountain.  We dont doubt that you care a bou tthe elk inteh sareas surrounding the mountain.  We simply have a problem with preservation as opposed to conservation, and blaming hunters for the starving elk.  Perhaps you need a better PR (public relations) department.  I speculate that youd get more money from the antis by blaming hunters though.  This seems to be the primary consensus among the tree huggers, to make it off limits, and hunters are bad. 

I really hope that everything works out with the elk, that theres no national park status made there, and everybody manages their private property fo rthe benefit of the environment as best that can be done.  That being said it may seemt hat you are standing on both sides of the fence, and its quite possible that neither side (hunters nor antis) want to associate or donate to the other group as they are the "enemies" of each other.  Maybe reconsider your PR and what side of the fence you want to be standing on.  In the video it looks liek you arent necessarily on the same side of the fence that we are standing on.

[SHANE(WA)]

Fishy, just read the whole post, new members posting in support, weird. members name reguarding killing elk? as a stance for pro hunting, seems weird to me

[bullchaser]

Anyone else think it is fishy that there are quite a few newbies on here that are only posting to this thread......and are all for bbarnes.....and somehow completely understand what he is saying??

Sorry, but I am going with my gut on this one.....something isn't right!

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[saudog]

Anyone else think it is fishy that there are quite a few newbies on here that are only posting to this thread......and are all for bbarnes.....and somehow completely understand what he is saying??

Sorry, but I am going with my gut on this one.....something isn't right!

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I am not a new member and have no association with bbarnes.  I have had discussions with hunters and locals in the SW Washington area around the mountain and they were all for his efforts to a man/woman.  There is not a huge contingent of SW washington hunters on this web site and I know for a fact there aren't that many that hunt the mt. st. helens area year in/year out.  I trust the people that are local to the area and see the issues first hand every day.

[Guns4Fun]

I saw the Mt. Saint Helens Rescue group this past weekend feeding elk up near Mt. Saint Helens and there definitely is a problem with elk starving in that area. The minute those guys left the elk appeared from the timber and came into feed on the alfalfa. Pretty amazing to see.

[elkangel]

I am sorry that some hunters are more concerned with words than action.  As for your bbarnes bashing over the words conservation and preservation,  you can direct your comments to me.  Mark Smith, I founded the Mt. St. Helens Preservation Society, back in 1998, you can see the details on our web sight, at mtsthelensociety.com.   It was to preserve our rights as hunters and outdoorsman, to preserve human activities around the mountain, and not just the land an wildlife.  Back then we were faced with tribal hunting issues, lots of hunters came out in support, with their help we were able to stop the hunting in our area.  We then worked on habitat issues and again received more help from sportsman.  It saddens me today, that all I hear is a bunch of outdoorsman who are more concerned with words, than action.   Men who would rather sit on their computer typing their superior intellect and debating on what some one said, or trying to figure out what they meant. 

So, let me spell it out real clear, so there is no mistakes about what is going on. We are supplemental feeding elk at Mount St. Helens. Why, because we feel it is the right thing to do.  It cost us $14.00 a bale for alfalfa, on the west side of the mountains.  We feed 8 bales a day, that is $112 a day for feed.  We will be feeding for 50 more days that means we are looking to raise $5600 just for alfalfa.  We appreciate any donation you make to the Mt. St. Helens Preservation Society, it is tax deductible, we are a 501 3C organization since 1998 and 110% of every dollar goes to feeding. No one get paid for gas or storage or anything else, we use all volunteers.  You are invited to come observe a feeding, but we have to keep it limited so not to upset the elk, so you have to reserve a day and time, am or pm feeding.

So, if you don't want to help that is fine.  But, if you do great,  for questions please, contact me at Ecoparkman@yahoo.com or through our web sight.  But please, don't keep trying to make out that BBarnes, Myself and anyone else that is involved is some kind of bad person doing this for some dark secret plan to stop hunters, or for our own benefit, because you would be sadly mistaken.  Those of you who know and have met me know my dedication and passion.   As for the five or six of you guys that keep sharing your negative view regarding this posting,  I have a suggestion.  Why don't you find another subject to apply your superior logic and english interpretive skill to, it is obvious you have no intention to support this cause with any positive input, just negative talk, and I can get enough of that off-line. 

To the rest of you, I hope you don't take offense, I figured it would make more sense to be blunt, and upfront and to the point.  I never did like these dam secret user name web sights, if you are afraid of to admit who you are, then how can we trust what you have to say.

Good Day,   mark smith
 

[ELKBURGER]

Sometimes being blunt is needed. Thank you for what your doing and have done to help the wildlife in that area. Were you responsible for the "end treaty abuse" campaign? I attended the protest in olympia in 97' or 98'. I hope members realize whats trying to get accomplished here. Keep up the great work!

[FrankDown]

I am sure, ElkAngel, that you are familiar with a movement called animal rights.  The animal rights movement has taken away hunters privileges.  In the video by bbarnes, he  says in no uncertain terms that the cause of the starving elk is hunting.  What do you suppose that relays to the nonhunting community?  If you cannot words your intentions properly what are people supposed to believe, what you are saying.  Correct?  The animal rights movement has used all kinds of guises and ploys to attack and lay blame on hunters.  Choose your words better, and choose what messages you relay to the public.  Dont blame hunters for straving elk and then ask them for money.

I dont know you.  You dont know me.  All I know is what you say.  I have a firm grip on the English language and understand that "hunters are the cause of the elk starving", means that the elk are starving, because of hunters, so hunters must be bad.

I am sorry that some hunters are more concerned with words than action.

  We have nothing else to go by than words.

Men who would rather sit on their computer typing their superior intellect and debating on what some one said, or trying to figure out what they meant.

  Be clear with what you say then, and we wont have to interpret it.  As the video clearly says "hunters are the cause of the starvation".

I think that all of us herre are on the same page though.  We all want whats best for the wildlife in Washington, as well as other areas.  We also want to correct the wrongs that the public have introduced, the government has introduced, the treaty has created, and more.  It doesn't make sense to argue amongst ourselves, as it accomplishes nothing.

Once again, I applaud your actions that you have taken to help the elk and stand up for the rights of hunters and the health of our wildlife.  However I dont see blaming the starving elk on hunters.

[Guns4Fun]

Well said ElkAngel.....at the end of the day I think all of us hunters are on the same side of this fight.