Mr. Brunsworth

[Dan-o]

I figure he addressed it accurately.

He called them Blacktails, and he said where..... and B&C calls them Blacktails where he hunted.

Why the hate???

The dude shoots some animals........    I'd hate to be a trophy within 100 yards of his bow.

[JDHasty]

I figure he addressed it accurately.

He called them Blacktails, and he said where..... and B&C calls them Blacktails where he hunted.

Why the hate???

The dude shoots some animals........    I'd hate to be a trophy within 100 yards of his bow.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook.

https://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords

[Dan-o]

I figure he addressed it accurately.

He called them Blacktails, and he said where..... and B&C calls them Blacktails where he hunted.

Why the hate???

The dude shoots some animals........    I'd hate to be a trophy within 100 yards of his bow.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook.

https://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords

I could easily be wrong......   and I don't have a dog in the fight, so if I am that's fine.

But I don't know where he was in relation to the boundary info you posted.

Are you saying that he was on the Mule Deer side of the line?

[haugenna]

He said he was in a fringe area but was hunting true blacktails. Not exactly accurate and a little twisted, only if you know the back story.

[JDHasty]

He said he was in a fringe area but was hunting true blacktails. Not exactly accurate and a little twisted, only if you know the back story.

 

There really is not much to add.  Actually there is a lot in the thread that is linked to above about the outfitter as well. 

[JDHasty]

I figure he addressed it accurately.

He called them Blacktails, and he said where..... and B&C calls them Blacktails where he hunted.

Why the hate???

The dude shoots some animals........    I'd hate to be a trophy within 100 yards of his bow.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Washington — Beginning at the Washington-British Columbia border, the boundary line runs south along the west boundary of North Cascades National Park to the range line between R10E and R11E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to its intersection with the township line between T18N and T17N, which is then followed westward until it connects with the north border of Mt. Rainier National Park, then along the north, west and south park boundaries until it intersects with the range line between R9E and R10E, Willamette Meridian, which is then followed directly south to the Columbia River near Cook.

https://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords

I could easily be wrong......   and I don't have a dog in the fight, so if I am that's fine.

But I don't know where he was in relation to the boundary info you posted.

Are you saying that he was on the Mule Deer side of the line?

Well to the east of the boundary.  If you talk to most of the people who hunt down there they are 100% comfortable with the deer there being labeled crosses or benchlegs.  They know that an unalloyed Columbia blacktail, or coastal blacktail or whatever would be an exceeedingly rare deer that are in that country. 

Burnworth knows that too IMHO, if he did not why would he try to set up some cockamaimie canard involving hunters that use different methods as a way to distract from the issue.  Gp to his Facebook page and watch the video and it is clear that he had no tenable rebuttal, so he tried real hard to set up a strawman instead. 

[Maverick]

Didn't watch the episode but I think its hilarious he taped over the Columbia blacktail part  the guide posted about the episode being on and I commented joking about goldendake being so close to the coast and they deleted the comment and blocked me lol

[huntnphool]

Didn't watch the episode but I think its hilarious he taped over the Columbia blacktail part  the guide posted about the episode being on and I commented joking about goldendake being so close to the coast and they deleted the comment and blocked me lol

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Didn't watch the episode but I think its hilarious he taped over the Columbia blacktail part  the guide posted about the episode being on and I commented joking about goldendake being so close to the coast and they deleted the comment and blocked me lol

This is what got my ire.
Stating all the animals it WAS NOT, and then calling it a Columbian Blacktail, instead of adding  another "it is not", before calling it a Columbia Blacktail. I mean, if it was a Whitetail, would he have called it a Columbian Whitetail?  B&C's boundaries are not the exact boundaries of the Columbian Blacktail, they have been moved slightly inward to reduce the possibility of hybridization with Mule Deer and Mule Deer/Blacktail crosses. There are undoubtedly Columbian Blacktail in other area's, but because of possible hybridization they are not considered pure Columbian Blacktails by B&C. As a nationally aired show, and recognized outdoor celebrity he should have included the information that it was outside the acknowledged zone. ... Some guy from the East Coast would be really pissed if he paid big $$ to come hunt "Columbian Blacktail" and find out it would not qualify for any recognition other than a fine animal... If he was after a "slam" he would be really upset. But the outfitter is selling hunts right now on the merits of that show, and any negative responses are shoveled under the mat, at his prices, he only needs a few suckers a year...

[JDHasty]

Didn't watch the episode but I think its hilarious he taped over the Columbia blacktail part  the guide posted about the episode being on and I commented joking about goldendake being so close to the coast and they deleted the comment and blocked me lol

This is what got my ire.
Stating all the animals it WAS NOT, and then calling it a Columbian Blacktail, instead of adding  another "it is not", before calling it a Columbia Blacktail. I mean, if it was a Whitetail, would he have called it a Columbian Whitetail?  B&C's boundaries are not the exact boundaries of the Columbian Blacktail, they have been moved slightly inward to reduce the possibility of hybridization with Mule Deer and Mule Deer/Blacktail crosses. There are undoubtedly Columbian Blacktail in other area's, but because of possible hybridization they are not considered pure Columbian Blacktails by B&C. As a nationally aired show, and recognized outdoor celebrity he should have included the information that it was outside the acknowledged zone. ... Some guy from the East Coast would be really pissed if he paid big $$ to come hunt "Columbian Blacktail" and find out it would not qualify for any recognition other than a fine animal... If he was after a "slam" he would be really upset. But the outfitter is selling hunts right now on the merits of that show, and any negative responses are shoveled under the mat, at his prices, he only needs a few suckers a year...

I posted something very similar back in December on this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186949.150.html

IMHO, Burnworth is as culpable as Twisted Horn for deliberately and systematically deceiving potential clients and since he has been following that thread and other threads on Archery Talk that discussed this whole sordid episode  - he has to be aware of the consequences of his actions. 

We all do realize that this is a nationally televised show right? Is WA state on the coast of the US?

pretty much anybody who is not is WA state, or intimately knows the state, would not disagree with what he said.

Glad to see I am not all out on a limb on that assessment.  I posted something similar up the thread.  These clowns are selling to a national audience and what a tragedy it would be if someone from out of the area booked their dream hunt for a blacktail or Roosevelt elk with an outfit that lead them to believe that they were taking them on just such a hunt.  There is the potential to cause another person harm by participating in this kind of unethical obfuscation.  Burnwell probably doesn't even appreciate that aspect, he doesn't pay market price for the opportunities he enjoys.

[JDHasty]

Another Burnworth coastal Columbian blacktail buck? 

[fishnfur]

I finally watch my recorded episode this morning.  It was a pretty well done show and emphasized the difficulty of hunting mature trophy blacktail bucks in the coastal regions like Tillimook, OR and in WA.  Ultimately, I think the show will result in more hunters travelling to WA in pursuit of these animals, which is a good thing.  If that does happen, then the State's economy can only benefit from exposure on hunting shows such as these.

On the downside, we all seem to understand that he is clearly deceptive in his wordplay and definitions of deer species in his hunting area.  He had ample opportunity to explain the hybridization zone and resulting animals of mixed characteristics, but instead proceeds on his premise that if it has a black tail, then it is a pure Blacktail deer,and identical to those on the coast.  Many here believe the same thing, but I'm pretty sure he knows better.  He seems to have heard enough of the hunting community's complaining to go back and edit the show so that it at least resembled the truth to the uneducated hunters in other parts of the country.  I don't know about you, but I felt the tail on his beautiful buck had the exact shape of a mule deer's tail - nothing like the more cylindrical shape of a coastal blacktail.

I'm sure the pressures involved in producing a contracted number of shows per year affects his values. Ultimately, he looses esteem, credibility, and reputation through his antics.  What goes around, comes around.  He'll surely someday regret some of his poor decisions. 

I talked to Scott Haugen at the Portland Sportsman's show today.....  That was kind of cool......
 

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I actually watched the show last night.
Was very impressed about the difference between his original release of a video, and the final show.
 

[Special T]

Another Burnworth coastal Columbian blacktail buck

That actually looks like the Grinch that stole Christmas reign deer. Lol

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[JDHasty]

Another Burnworth coastal Columbian blacktail buck

That actually looks like the Grinch that stole Christmas reign deer. Lol

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Nope, that is not Max, that is by God a pure strain benchleg that I caught red handed impersonating a blacktail on the streets of Goldendale (can'tcha' can see that he has a black tail) -  I was kinda' on the fence given the stocky appearance and the fact that it's home range is located within two hours of Portland OR.   

I sent my labs down with instructions to lift up the tail and give it a good sniff, right where it would do the most good.  That's a benchleg for sure.