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Washington is becoming California 2.0
How can that not be unconstitutional?
We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.
Our system could be improved some if there was some form of certification that proposed initiatives to the people or bills in the legislature would not be ruled unconstitutional. The way I see this, it is a passive form of treason and the penalty should be the same as treason.I believe we would have a stronger union if people did not propose bad laws for fear of frozen assets and jail time.
Quote from: Little Dave on February 18, 2016, 10:16:44 PMOur system could be improved some if there was some form of certification that proposed initiatives to the people or bills in the legislature would not be ruled unconstitutional. The way I see this, it is a passive form of treason and the penalty should be the same as treason.I believe we would have a stronger union if people did not propose bad laws for fear of frozen assets and jail time.I believe the Secretary of State has to approve Initiatives for the ballot. Not sure what kind of constitutional screening he gives them.
@JDHastyI could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.
Quote from: Henrydog on February 19, 2016, 09:21:19 AM@JDHastyI could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.The ILA and NRA-PVF is infested with Washington DC establishment types who are just too cozy with the eGOP. DO not resign, the NRA needs your support for Firearms Safety and Competition that they sponsor and no one does that better. There is a general housecleaning in need within the ILA and PVF and until that happens send your Second Amendment donations to GOA.
Quote from: JDHasty on February 19, 2016, 10:22:55 AMQuote from: Henrydog on February 19, 2016, 09:21:19 AM@JDHastyI could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.The ILA and NRA-PVF is infested with Washington DC establishment types who are just too cozy with the eGOP. DO not resign, the NRA needs your support for Firearms Safety and Competition that they sponsor and no one does that better. There is a general housecleaning in need within the ILA and PVF and until that happens send your Second Amendment donations to GOA. If the ILA and NRA-PVF don't make money, they will change their game. Sadly don't think many their care about Liberty or the Constitution, but $ talks. They will serve whoever pays them most just like any other Mercenary.
What I would propose is to box the leftists/stateists in by putting a separate measure on the ballot that says:a) if you steal a firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen. b) if you are in possession of a stolen firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each stolen firearm in your possession.c) if you commit a crime while you have a stolen firearm on your person, you are going to prison for twenty years ON TOP OF ANY OTHER SENTENCE, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen.This ballot measure would also demand that a database be available online in which ANYONE could check to see if a firearm they were considering had ever been reported stolen. And remember: The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.GOA is a much better place to donate to protect and preserve the Second Amendment right now. Still donate to support the hunter safety and competition that the NRA supports, but don't give to the NRA-ILA or NRA-PVF and I say this as a Benefactor member and father of three Life members of the NRA.
If this wins, expect more. Until there is no money in gun control for politicians and initiatives fail (this would take Seattlights reading Emerson's Self Reliance rather than the communist manifesto), this will be a yearly thing until WA is CA. These politics are no more than "people hurting others they don't like via the violence of the state". Those that don't like guns, or self reliance, or people with self respect and decency, Emerson readers, etc... can sit back and watch their enemies suffer. I am not a Noam Chomsky fan at all. But he does speak the truth saying, "A successful democracy turns humanities natural aspirations into hopelessness". When I see garbage legislation like this, and the retarded masses clapping for it, I certainly feel hopeless.
This will pass, unfortunately they found a path that will work for their agenda.
You can throw all of the little "Look at me, I hate the NRA tantrums that you like", but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, IMO.The NRA-ILA does not have the funds to battle every anti-gun cause that comes along. In the State of Washington they are currently involved in the fight against Seattle’s new tax on firearms and ammunition. They were there at the beginning of the fight, and they are currently involved in the legal appeals of Judge Robinson's ruling.So, contribute to whichever group you like, but I think that bad-mouthing the NRA is just plain foolish. They do pick-and-choose their legal fights, but they have won many legal battles over the years in support of your gun rights.Just my 2¢.
You can throw all of the little "Look at me, I hate the NRA" tantrums that you like, but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, IMO.The NRA-ILA does not have the funds to battle every anti-gun cause that comes along. In the State of Washington they are currently involved in the fight against Seattle’s new tax on firearms and ammunition. They were there at the beginning of the fight, and they are currently involved in the legal appeals of Judge Robinson's ruling.So, contribute to whichever group you like, but I think that bad-mouthing the NRA is just plain foolish. They do pick-and-choose their legal fights, but they have won many legal battles over the years in support of your gun rights.Just my 2¢.
And remember: The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.
Care to defend your statement in light of my links?Quote from: JDHasty on February 19, 2016, 08:55:17 AMAnd remember: The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.I'll refresh your memory:http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/18/shawn-vestal-gun-rights-advocates-take-risk-by/https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150216/washington-radical-anti-gun-bill-to-be-heard-in-committee-this-weekIt's one thing to have your own personal agenda, for whatever reason. But it's quite another to mis-state the facts in support of that agenda !!
Quote from: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PMWe really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.Now that is a great idea!!!!!!
Quote from: Humptulips on February 18, 2016, 08:31:49 PMHow can that not be unconstitutional?It's not.....if it gets nay traction, then NRA and others should immediately attack it legally. To be honest these moronic initiatives should be thrown out by the courts before they go anywhere. The 2nd Amendment rights are rights, not open to change based on how somebody feels. Just sick of this crap.
Quote from: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PMWe really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy. But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk
Quote from: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PMWe really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy. But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using TapatalkThere are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!
Quote from: emac on February 20, 2016, 09:55:45 PMQuote from: steen on February 20, 2016, 07:33:06 PMQuote from: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PMWe really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy. But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using TapatalkThere are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!What are you trying to say. I am trying to figure it out but can't computeSent from my XT1254 using TapatalkThere are more people on the westside that are against the prog causes than there are on the eastside. By percentages, the eastside usually wins out in that category (like for 594 which was mostly westside). But if you take a look at say 655 (hounds and bear baiting), http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/results_report.aspx?e=17&c=&c2=&t=&t2=5&p=&p2=&y= click on county breakdown, every county in the state voted for it. The highest percentage of no votes was actually a westside county--Grays Harbor; the narrowest margin in absolute votes was Pend Oreille. King county had more no votes than the entire eastside did--220K vs 180K, King and Spokane counties were similar in the vote.
Quote from: steen on February 20, 2016, 07:33:06 PMQuote from: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PMWe really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy. But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using TapatalkThere are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!What are you trying to say. I am trying to figure it out but can't computeSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk