Barnes bullets supporting lead ammunition bans!

[JDHasty]

Make certain to use the Fed 215 primers w/the 300 Wby.  It is practically essential.

Regarding the TTSX, I will never purchase any Barnes product ever.  I used to run SPORTCO's hunting/shooting counter ~ 25 years ago and at that time Barnes was busy lobbying the legislatures and game departments of practically all western States to go "lead free."  I have nothing against a business trying to increase their market share by building a better product, but trying to legislate market share is despicable.     

[RadSav]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

[JDHasty]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

I used to go to WDFW mid-day public meetings when I had that job and the same guys who were in SPORTCO trying to get us to pick up their X-bullet product on Wednesday were at the meeting going all in to get lead banned on Thursday.  And make no mistake about it, the topic was shotgun ammo and these guys from Barnes were advocating for a ban on all lead in ammo for sporting use period.   

I used their 348 bullet from their original line and once the ones I had on hand were used up I have used the Woodleighs in their place.  I shoot mostly cast bullets out of it and will use Hornady 200 gr for deer.   

[Jonathan_S]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

  once I confirm this I am throwing all Barnes bullets in the trash.  Partly for that reason and partly because I am sick of cleaning after 6 shots

[JDHasty]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

  once I confirm this I am throwing all Barnes bullets in the trash.  Partly for that reason and partly because I am sick of cleaning after 6 shots

I practically exploded after sitting there and listening to their BS.  They had shown up with their local rep at SPORTCO unannounced and were extolling the virtues of their X-bullet and then when they showed up at a WDFW public meeting that had nothing to do with their X-bullet, but had expanding the non-toxic shot shell requirement and they took that as license to advocate on behalf of a ban on all lead in sporting ammo I was so pissed of that I called every competitor in the State and let them know what these jerks were up to.  That was ~ 1988 - 1990 just a few years after the time their X-bullet came out.   I had used Colorado Custom/Barnes Originals up until that time, but swore I would never purchase another thing from them.     

[theleo]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

You don't keep track of Oregon game law issues. The Oregon ZOO, a decidedly anti hunter organization, has teamed up with Barnes and ODFW to put on presentations of the evils of lead core bullets. There's a movement to make Oregon a lead free state and Barnes is there as a representative of the fire arms industry pushing their agenda. Not even Oregon based Nosler is showing any support, but Barnes sure is. If they pass it in Oregon it will just be a matter of time before they start pushing the lead free ammo agenda here.   

[JDHasty]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

You don't keep track of Oregon game law issues. The Oregon ZOO, a decidedly anti hunter organization, has teamed up with Barnes and ODFW to put on presentations of the evils of lead core bullets. There's a movement to make Oregon a lead free state and Barnes is there as a representative of the fire arms industry pushing their agenda. Not even Oregon based Nosler is showing any support, but Barnes sure is. If they pass it in Oregon it will just be a matter of time before they start pushing the lead free ammo agenda here.

Barnes Bullets should be something that no sportsman should ever spend a dime on.  I was there and I was enraged at not only their tactics, but the lies they were telling.  They are absolute filth.   

[high country]

Was this Randy Brooks? If not, let's get their response to this. We need to know if it's a corporate decision or one rep trying to up his market.

[JDHasty]

Was this Randy Brooks? If not, let's get their response to this. We need to know if it's a corporate decision or one rep trying to up his market.

Yes in my case it was.  The rep was a local guy, the Barnes people came out of Colorado all glad handing and back slapping and handing out "free samples" and swag like ball caps, t-shirts, etc and offering to take me to lunch.  When they saw me at the WDFW meeting the next day they about dumped in their pants.     

[JDHasty]

Wow, I hadn't heard that.  Not good!

You don't keep track of Oregon game law issues. The Oregon ZOO, a decidedly anti hunter organization, has teamed up with Barnes and ODFW to put on presentations of the evils of lead core bullets. There's a movement to make Oregon a lead free state and Barnes is there as a representative of the fire arms industry pushing their agenda. Not even Oregon based Nosler is showing any support, but Barnes sure is. If they pass it in Oregon it will just be a matter of time before they start pushing the lead free ammo agenda here.

In the meeting I was at it was Barnes who was the ring leader.  "Environmental groups" like Sierra Club as well as WDFW and the rest of the "alphabet Agencies" were all allowing them to take the lead. 

[JDHasty]

Whatya' say we repost this topic some where else so the OP can get the help he needs and we can discuss this further. 

[bearpaw]

Topic is split, please continue! I really want to hear more! 

[kentrek]

Wow, i had planned on shooting a few more animals with big led style bullets then swap to the small solid and fast barnes to see which of the two theories I prefer

Not any more

[predatorpro]

I still wouldn't buy any of their bullets....

[Jonathan_S]

Wow, i had planned on shooting a few more animals with big led style bullets then swap to the small solid and fast barnes to see which of the two theories I prefer

Not any more

  I think I'd rather shoot backwards powerbelts