Author Topic: Backcountry Hunters and Anglers (Read 12419 times)

mburrows · « **on:** March 21, 2016, 07:04:50 PM »

Just curious if there any BHA members on here? They seem to be pushing a great message and their top priorities are protecting public land and keeping it open for public use.

D-Rock425 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2016, 07:10:37 PM »

Not a member but probably should be.

mburrows · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2016, 07:14:18 PM »

I got a crash course on public lands and whats actually in our best interest as public land hunters. Was shocked by some the information the guys from BHA were throwing out in one of the Gritty Bowmen podcasts I listened to in my way to work the other day. I think it was episode 93.

JasonG · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2016, 07:16:14 PM »

I'm a member, join it a great organization!

dreamunelk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2016, 07:46:31 PM »

Really, keeping public lands open?
Than why are they supporting Wild Olympics's?
Turns second growth mono culture tree stands into wilderness?
No more bicycles?
Roads that could be reopened for forest management gone?
They were supporting when the plan was bigger and much of it would have come under the management of the National Park!

Take a hard look at what they support. It sounds good but, they are way into the politics and not really supporting hunters.

mburrows · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2016, 08:13:59 PM »

Im not familiar with each and every initiative they support but they are in favor of protecting public land from private ownership which i happen to be infavor of. I may be mistaken but i think their objective is to be political and give a voice to all legal public land users of all kinds.

Im still learning myself but i see myself joining in the near future.

JLS · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2016, 08:27:04 PM »

Member here. I'm not a wilderness only guy, and neither is BHA. Good group of people that work hard to protect yours and my public lands.

dwils233 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2016, 08:39:38 PM »

I think I met land tawney in passing once and talked to him briefly about BHA. Seemed like a nice guy.

Besides that, I caught his interview with Steve rinella on the meateater podcast and they addressed being accused of being "green decoys" and dismantled that criticism pretty well. I support their goals and don't think much of their criticism. Protecting our wild lands is something I support and I think its okay to take donor money from organizations we don't agree with 100 percent to do so. I plan on joining later this year

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:02:48 PM »

I am a member, and will support them in anyway possible. Their support of hunters and our public lands including our access to these lands is second to none. I would highly recommend becoming a member and getting involved. Statements implying or flat out stating that they do not support, or fight for hunters and our public lands is simply pure ignorance.

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dreamunelk · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:21:37 PM »

http://www.wildolympics.org/news/hunting,_fishing,_biking,_and_recreation_support_rolls_wild_olympics_0

Sportsmen Support

Sportsmen make the connections between permanent watershed protection, recreational and commercial fishing and hunting access, and healthy habitat for game and other wildlife. They support the Wild Olympics Wilderness and Wild & Scenic Rivers Act because it would protect hunting and fishing access while permanently protecting rivers and roadless backcountry. The Wild Olympics proposal is supported by over a dozen hunting and fishing organizations, including Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association, NW Guides and Anglers Association, Washington Council of Trout Unlimited, Wild Steelhead Coalition, Washington Wildlife Federation; Backcountry Hunters and Anglers -Washington Chapter, Association of Northwest Steelheaders, Sportsmen for Wild Olympics (Aberdeen), Izaak Walton League of America,Greater Seattle Chapter, Able Guide Service, (Sekiu), Norrie Johnson Guide Service (Sequim), Little Stone Flyfisher (Port Townsend), Greywolf Flyfishing Club (Sequim), Waters West Fly Fishing Outfitters (Port Angeles),

Ignorant? I am willing to bet I do far more for hunters and have a far better understanding the environment than you!

No organization that claims to support hunters would support a land grab that is not based on science.

This is a slap in the face to hunters who are trying to maintain access to public lands.

If access was important why would they support this?

I am speaking as someone who works, plays, and hunts in the very public lands they support restricting my access to!

dreamunelk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:46:40 PM »

Not that I am anti wolf. I am not. So I am one of the few. However, one has to wonder what their agenda is?

Predators, backcountry, and their future
Notes from a hunter

Dick Rivers on the Grande Ronde, OR
Dick Rivers on the Grande Ronde, OR

by Dick Rivers, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers

Originally published in the spring/summer 2011 edition of Conservation Northwest Quarterly

I felt the gooseflesh up and down my spine before I even knew what caused it. The wolf pack had brought down an elk only about three hundred yards from my campsite in the River of No Return Wilderness and began their air raid siren group sing a little before midnight.

http://www.conservationnw.org/what-we-do/predators-and-prey/predators-backcountry-and-their-future

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2016, 06:06:41 AM »

Stated my opinion, and I stand behind it. Won't get in a measuring contest. As for betting on personal contribution..... Well don't be heading to Vegas anytime soon. Lol

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grundy53 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2016, 06:16:58 AM »

Keep the discussion civil or this thread will be locked.

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Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2016, 06:52:05 AM »

Proud member here

WAcoyotehunter · « **Reply #14 on:** March 22, 2016, 08:31:42 AM »

I am a member and am pretty active in the group. I like most of what BHA does and stands for and am glad someone is representing backcountry hunters. There are too few groups willing to take a stand against the groups that want the whole world open to their ATVs under the guise of "access"....
Sometimes a hunter has to walk.

JimmyHoffa · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2016, 09:02:19 AM »

I'm in agreement with dreamnelk. I was interested in BHA in the past. But they were part of the coalition really pushing the Wild Olympics Campaign--including the original proposal. Ack. I could at least understand backing the revised proposals (not that I liked them either), but the original would've taken lots of FS land that is open and accessible to hunters now and transferred it to the national park as actual park. One of the revised proposals gave the land to the park, but under reserve status still allowing hunting but managed by the park. Just shocked that 'hunters' would back the original...figured it was more the backcountry anglers outweighing the hunters. Kind of left a bad taste to me, they now get filed in the same folder as Conservation NW.

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2016, 09:55:50 AM »

I agree that they haven't always fought causes that I think they should, however that percentage is small in comparison to the causes they do jump down into the trenches on. But pick a group, and the same is true. The point is that organizations like BHA, RMEF, MDF, and the list goes on. Are doing good work both on the ground and in politics. And one shoe doesn't fit all of us, however get behind one or several donate your time and dollars. Make as big a difference as you can. I for one chose to support BHA and a few others.

To quote WAcoyotehunter yeah "sometimes a hunter has to walk"
And that's a good thing!

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Tbar · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:26:47 AM »

Quote from: BackCountryJunki on March 22, 2016, 06:06:41 AM

Stated my opinion, and I stand behind it. Won't get in a measuring contest. As for betting on personal contribution..... Well don't be heading to Vegas anytime soon. Lol

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Don't head to Vegas anytime soon?

I believe that would be a lay bet! BHA has many similarities to CNW.

WAcoyotehunter · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:29:02 AM »

Like what? In what ways is BHA similar to CNW?

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:40:11 AM »

Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on March 22, 2016, 10:29:02 AM

Like what? In what ways is BHA similar to CNW?

They are completely and fundamentally different. Ask all the folks out of Roseburg Oregon that now get to DRIVE around on over 200 roads that were once gated. They aren't anti roads/atv, they are anti ILLEGAL ORV use. BIG difference

baker5150 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:46:45 AM »

Quote from: BLRman on March 22, 2016, 10:40:11 AM

Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on March 22, 2016, 10:29:02 AM
Like what? In what ways is BHA similar to CNW?

They are completely and fundamentally different. Ask all the folks out of Roseburg Oregon that now get to DRIVE around on over 200 roads that were once gated. They aren't anti roads/atv, they are anti ILLEGAL ORV use. BIG difference

At first glance on their web site, the group appears to be anti ORV.
After looking further into some of the reads, it's obvious that is not the case at all. Just promoting legal and ethical use. Which I fully support.

Tbar · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:54:37 AM »

I will recant the second half of my statement for now. They sound very similar to CNW pitch when discussing Grizzly recovery, very similar.

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:59:16 AM »

For all those interested in BHA I strongly encourage you to do your research, check them out. The 5th annual rendezvous is April 1-3 in Missoula MT. If it's anything like last years it's an awesome event. Get tickets, go meet people, ask questions. It's a great group of people. Apparently they are not for everyone, Such is life. I wish everyone luck on their tag draws and upcoming 2016 season. I for one will be out on public land on April 15 chasing bears with my boy. As he was lucky enough to draw Bear river. Good times ahead

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WAcoyotehunter · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2016, 11:10:14 AM »

Will you be at the rendezvous? I entered the cooking contest that Steve Rinella is judging.... Doing a cougar and chanterelles dish! Wish me luck and stop by for a taste....if you dare.....

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2016, 11:36:47 AM »

Unfortunately not this year. Really wanted to go and meet Steve. Got to meet Randy last year which was cool. But work seems to think I need to be here this year. Good luck on the contest! Would love to try it, haven't had cougar since I was a kid. From what I remember it was delicious. Keep a tag in my pocket each year for one. But haven't had an opportunity yet.

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X-Force · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2016, 12:38:42 PM »

Tagging for later. If you listen to Randy Newburg he discusses his dealing with wolf and grizzly recovery and how he will not support any recover programs as the ESA is currently rewritten and implemented. I would be hard pressed to believe he would support BHA if they were pushing for more recovery.... like I said tagging for later when I have time to read through everything...

I'm a member of BHA. If someone is needing a carpool dummy and roommate for the rendezvous let me know. would love to go.

dreamingbig · « **Reply #26 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:25:38 PM »

I am a member. I need to renew this month.

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Elkaholic daWg · « **Reply #27 on:** March 27, 2016, 12:00:33 PM »

Quote from: JimmyHoffa on March 22, 2016, 09:02:19 AM

I'm in agreement with dreamnelk. I was interested in BHA in the past. But they were part of the coalition really pushing the Wild Olympics Campaign--including the original proposal. Ack. I could at least understand backing the revised proposals (not that I liked them either), but the original would've taken lots of FS land that is open and accessible to hunters now and transferred it to the national park as actual park. One of the revised proposals gave the land to the park, but under reserve status still allowing hunting but managed by the park. Just shocked that 'hunters' would back the original...figured it was more the backcountry anglers outweighing the hunters. Kind of left a bad taste to me, they now get filed in the same folder as Conservation NW.

Me too

Flying Forester · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2016, 07:07:40 AM »

I am a BHA member. Hoping to chat with Ty Stubblefield in the next couple days about getting involved somehow.

I will add this to the ongoing debate over the causes supported by BHA (and for that matter CNW):

You can disagree with them all you want...if you're a MEMBER. If you're not a member you can not change one thing about what they do, what they support or how they operate. Instead, just become a member, get involved, make your case and help steer things in the direction that is important to you. Every voice counts.

"Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining" - Some say Theodore Roosevelt said that, but no one is really sure.

Zeroforhire · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2016, 07:25:43 AM »

I am a member. Do we even have a chapter in this state? If so, the chapter page is in need of an update.

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Flying Forester · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2016, 07:26:47 AM »

There is a Washington chapter. I'm not involved with it, but would like to be.

Zeroforhire · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2016, 07:27:37 AM »

Quote from: Flying Forester on April 19, 2016, 07:26:47 AM

There is a Washington chapter. I'm not involved with it, but would like to be.

Me too! I'm going to call the main office today to get more details.

WAcoyotehunter · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2016, 02:12:35 PM »

There is a Pint Night at Hales Ales on the 20th from 6-8. Land Tawney and Ty Stubblefield will be there. We really need WA members to step up and take leadership roles. Currently the chair position is open, and we have not been too active

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #33 on:** April 19, 2016, 06:17:42 PM »

WAcoyotehunter. How did you cougar, chanterelle dish come out?

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Flying Forester · « **Reply #34 on:** April 19, 2016, 06:28:58 PM »

Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on April 19, 2016, 02:12:35 PM

There is a Pint Night at Hales Ales on the 20th from 6-8. Land Tawney and Ty Stubblefield will be there. We really need WA members to step up and take leadership roles. Currently the chair position is open, and we have not been too active

If you're looking for an at-large member in a leadership role let me know. I live in Florida, but would love to be involved with the WA chapter.

mburrows · « **Reply #35 on:** April 19, 2016, 07:53:43 PM »

I wish I could attend the meeting tomorrow but I am on business travel. WAcoyotehunter i shot you a PM

JasonG · « **Reply #36 on:** April 19, 2016, 08:02:35 PM »

Can they have the meeting somewhere else besides seattle??

Zeroforhire · « **Reply #37 on:** April 19, 2016, 08:03:07 PM »

Can't make the meeting on such short notice. Sorry guys.

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JasonG · « **Reply #38 on:** April 19, 2016, 08:07:18 PM »

Just saw the post, sorry I think there would be more support outside the city ?

BackCountryJunki · « **Reply #39 on:** April 19, 2016, 09:23:15 PM »

Wife and I will be there. Anyone else gonna be able to make it?

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D-Rock425 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 19, 2016, 09:41:45 PM »

Quote from: BackCountryJunki on April 19, 2016, 09:23:15 PM

Wife and I will be there. Anyone else gonna be able to make it?

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I really wanted to go but I can't father's in the hospital and daughter has hunters ed class tomorrow night.

WAcoyotehunter · « **Reply #41 on:** April 20, 2016, 07:24:54 AM »

I think they planned this one with short notice because a few of the leadership are on their way to some event in AK. They figured a quick stop in Seattle would be easy enough.

We will have a pint night in Spokane early this summer, and hopefully some kind of field work day.

Idaho is doing a work project at Craig Mountain on the April 30/May 1st weekend. I can't make it, but there will be some WA folks there.

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