anyone watch the WKC dog competition?

[Happy Gilmore]

nobody here has ever watched my Grand Champion Chesapeake clean up a bird field with 9 finds in 5 minutes after 4 GSP braces went birdless...

except maybe...Bluemoon... he wouldn't take my bet on who could find the most birds in a timed event..and she caught them and brought them back to me without messing a feather...each bird..  hahaha

[WRL]

I am not much for the toy dog and terrier  category  but I enjoy watching.
I love that a gsp won this year what a great looking dog.
Was disappointed  that they had 5 different cocker spaniels  and 3 other spaniels but no boykins...

Are you sure? Pretty sure I saw the boykin and according to them, there were 5 entered.
http://origin-www.westminsterkennelclub.org/mediacenter/docs/WKC_2016_EntryPressRelease.pdf

[WRL]

I had "Liked" a Labrador Breeders/Owners webpage on Facebook quite awhile ago and happened to comment on a post yesterday about non papered Purebred dogs, for those of you who didn't know, I have always owned AKC Labs, in fact, my entire life, a year ago I purchased a non papered purebred lab pup from a breeder in Selah, was able to see both parents beforehand and the pups were beautiful. My lab looks like a $1500 pup but I was NOT paying that price anymore. I paid $350 for him and have been extremely happy with the Pup.
For anyone that has purchased a purebred AKC pup lately, the costs have gone thru the roof, these breeders are gouging people terribly, the AVG price is about $1000 per dog. I refused to pay that this time around, I wanted a good hunting dog and family pet, I could care less about paper and ribbons. These self righteous A-holes just went on and on about how you shouldn't breed non papered animals because of health issues etc., I understand all that BUT the reason we have to check the eyes hips, elbows, etc is from over breeding of AKC animals, WTF? Got tired of them trying to justify the outrageous dog prices and belittling everyone else who disagreed with them so I unliked the page, I'm not here to judge people, if they want a ribbon dog and do field trials, etc. have at it, just don't badmouth everyone else that doesn't require the ego boost from getting ribbons 

If you want a non=papered dog that is your right.

However the last group of folks I heard go on and on about how great their unpapered and unhealth certified dogs were ended up with almost half the litter EIC affected.

So, if you like the risk, then that is up to you but there are plenty of folks not willing to take the risk.

WRL

[Happy Gilmore]

WRL all the folks who breed and don't test for anything must not be bothered when they or their pup buyers get to watch a dog drown when they have an episode on a water retrieve..

[Bluemoon]

I remember that day well Happy.  That was a good day because I kept my money in my pocket and my mouth shut.  Your girl was and is a bird finding machine...
 

[WRL]

WRL all the folks who breed and don't test for anything must not be bothered when they or their pup buyers get to watch a dog drown when they have an episode on a water retrieve..

I hear ya. And all cause they can save $130.

WRL

[pens fan]

Boykins are AKC recognized for about 5 years now, unfortunately. I am no fan of the dog show circuit for sporting breeds, so I could care less about those dogs. Best in show for me is the dog with muddy paws, wet coat, wagging tail and a bird in its mouth.
The AKC, to me, is more interested in money and looks than enforcing health checks. That's my opinion. Break out the popcorn.

[AspenBud]

I agree akc has ruined the setter I really wanted another but i didn't want to take the risk of a akc inbred.

Stop looking at AKC and look for FDSB registered dogs or dogs that are dual registered. Buy from up close field trial lines with dogs that have CH, Nat'l CH, or HOF by their names in quantity in the pedigree and you won't have a problem getting a good hunting dog. Hard to train and unhealthy dogs don't win field trials let alone championships.

[wildweeds]

Mine are dual registered, the stud dog I own was a top 5 dog for 3 years in his field trial Carreer he amassed 37 wins in akc,ckc and AF sanctioned trials he was retired with enough points to be a 4x field champ. The dog was consistent everytime he was turned loose you knew he could win. His last trial was 3 wins 2 firsts and a second. Found 17 birds in three at bats. Think I could sell any pups? Nope sold 2 of 9 gave 3 away and still have 4. 2 of those need new homes where they can get used more than I can give them[. Ive got a job that doesnt lend itself to hunting as much as my old construction job did.quote author=AspenBud link=topic=191432.msg2535648#msg2535648 date=1456162031]

I agree akc has ruined the setter I really wanted another but i didn't want to take the risk of a akc inbred.

Stop looking at AKC and look for FDSB registered dogs or dogs that are dual registered. Buy from up close field trial lines with dogs that have CH, Nat'l CH, or HOF by their names in quantity in the pedigree and you won't have a problem getting a good hunting dog. Hard to train and unhealthy dogs don't win field trials let alone championships.
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[3dvapor]

Good advice.  Hard to beat a hard running setter.  I've hunted chukar since I was twelve over setters.  After I put my last dog down I had no idea where to look and wasnt impressed with the dogs my friends owned so I tried a drahthaar.  It's been hard on the wife.  Lol. My drahthaar thinks she's second in charge.

[AspenBud]

That might have been an advertising issue Ernie. The guy I bought my last Pointer from is simply a Midwest grouse hunter who is well known out there as are the dogs he breeds occasionally. My pup's litter was all sold inside of a month or two and the only reason it took that long was because the original buyers wanted females and the litter ended up all male with the exception of one. The litter was sold before it hit the ground until that was known. The sire of the litter was a little known proven grouse dog that is littermate to CH Titanium Hammer and the bitch is known only to locals. But the pedigrees are full of CH, Nat'l CH, and HOF dogs. 100% FDSB registered top and bottom. All pups sold for $300-$600.

The pup is a nice dog. Very easy to handle, eager pleaser, and has a nose like a cannon. Can't speak to his field trial potential but as a hunter he's about the best dog I've ever owned and the best bred.

Mine are dual registered, the stud dog I own was a top 5 dog for 3 years in his field trial Carreer he amassed 37 wins in akc,ckc and AF sanctioned trials he was retired with enough points to be a 4x field champ. The dog was consistent everytime he was turned loose you knew he could win. His last trial was 3 wins 2 firsts and a second. Found 17 birds in three at bats. Think I could sell any pups? Nope sold 2 of 9 gave 3 away and still have 4. 2 of those need new homes where they can get used more than I can give them[. Ive got a job that doesnt lend itself to hunting as much as my old construction job did.quote author=AspenBud link=topic=191432.msg2535648#msg2535648 date=1456162031]

I agree akc has ruined the setter I really wanted another but i didn't want to take the risk of a akc inbred.

Stop looking at AKC and look for FDSB registered dogs or dogs that are dual registered. Buy from up close field trial lines with dogs that have CH, Nat'l CH, or HOF by their names in quantity in the pedigree and you won't have a problem getting a good hunting dog. Hard to train and unhealthy dogs don't win field trials let alone championships.

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[rosscrazyelk]

I am not much for the toy dog and terrier  category  but I enjoy watching.
I love that a gsp won this year what a great looking dog.
Was disappointed  that they had 5 different cocker spaniels  and 3 other spaniels but no boykins...

Are you sure? Pretty sure I saw the boykin and according to them, there were 5 entered.
http://origin-www.westminsterkennelclub.org/mediacenter/docs/WKC_2016_EntryPressRelease.pdf

There were five that showed up for the show but they did not make it to the final sporting dog showcase. Which to me is a joke.
They had 5 different cocker spaniels in there but no boykin Come on..