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If you have a lot of points it's a big investment, I don't see them going away!
The best way to increase odds is buy a lot of raffle tickets or a governor tag!
Quote from: bearpaw on April 07, 2016, 02:39:39 PMThe best way to increase odds is buy a lot of raffle tickets or a governor tag! I cant the goat raffle got flooded
I can see what you guys are saying but what I'm saying is that having everyone acquiring a point for everything across the board and only applying for just 1 is just a gimmick with the same results. Meaning we have 30,000 permits each year and 61,500 applicants with 245,000 applications whether you apply for only 1 species or you apply for every single permit your odds would remain the same because those numbers arent changing. The only thing changing is the preciseness of an individuals application.If we had 30000 permits and 61500 applicants with 61500 applications we would have a meaningful change.To make my point: now until 10 years1) current system : 30,000 permits, 61,500 applicants, 245,000 applications (total points accumulated)2) your system you can get points for all categories like today but only put in for 1 species: 30,000 permits, 61,500 applicants, 61,500 applications, 245,000 total points (application point and category points)3) my system you only receive a point for the single category you put in for 30,000 permits, 61,500 applicants, 61,500 applications (total points)After ten years the total points accumulated from now until then is as follows1) current system 2,350,0002) your system 2,350,0003) my system 315,000
First decreasing applications is not the only way to improve odds. More tags will also increase odds. Second I believe there is a 0% chance of wdfw ever limiting the numbers of different categories you can apply for. That results in them brining in less revenue which I don't think they will ever agree too.
The best and simplest solution would be to increase game populations!!! Predator management is the only way we get more permits!
Quote from: Bigshooter on April 07, 2016, 04:38:19 PMFirst decreasing applications is not the only way to improve odds. More tags will also increase odds. Second I believe there is a 0% chance of wdfw ever limiting the numbers of different categories you can apply for. That results in them brining in less revenue which I don't think they will ever agree too.Again, that's why I suggest they allow people to continue to accrue points in all categories.
Quote from: shanevg on April 07, 2016, 04:45:35 PMQuote from: Bigshooter on April 07, 2016, 04:38:19 PMFirst decreasing applications is not the only way to improve odds. More tags will also increase odds. Second I believe there is a 0% chance of wdfw ever limiting the numbers of different categories you can apply for. That results in them brining in less revenue which I don't think they will ever agree too.Again, that's why I suggest they allow people to continue to accrue points in all categories. To beat a dead horse... Instead of limiting people to 1 category, have everyone apply for categories as they are and have them order categories into list of importance and once a permit is drawn they are done for that year. It would give you the same theoretical 1/250 odds a that you discussed earlier and people wouldn't be discouraged from applying to all permits.Again, I think any change that doesn't actually decrease points/applicantions is still a gimmick.
Quote from: X-Force on April 13, 2016, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: shanevg on April 07, 2016, 04:45:35 PMQuote from: Bigshooter on April 07, 2016, 04:38:19 PMFirst decreasing applications is not the only way to improve odds. More tags will also increase odds. Second I believe there is a 0% chance of wdfw ever limiting the numbers of different categories you can apply for. That results in them brining in less revenue which I don't think they will ever agree too.Again, that's why I suggest they allow people to continue to accrue points in all categories. To beat a dead horse... Instead of limiting people to 1 category, have everyone apply for categories as they are and have them order categories into list of importance and once a permit is drawn they are done for that year. It would give you the same theoretical 1/250 odds a that you discussed earlier and people wouldn't be discouraged from applying to all permits.Again, I think any change that doesn't actually decrease points/applicantions is still a gimmick.The problem is, you are saying points and applications like they are interchangeable. In the system Shane is talking about, they are not. Let's say, hypothetically, that in the current system we have 15,000 people who apply for moose, sheep and goat, and 100,000 that apply for deer/elk. Now, I would guess it's pretty safe to assume that there is some cross pollination in each group, there aren't 115,000 unique ID's in this. Therefore, by making them choose between OIL or Deer/Elk, you will be lowering one/both of the applicant bases. If someone chooses to apply for deer/elk, and we allow them to still by OIL points, the objective is still achieved. For that one individual, we have lowered the OIL applicant base by 1 for that year.
Quote from: X-Force on April 13, 2016, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: shanevg on April 07, 2016, 04:45:35 PMQuote from: Bigshooter on April 07, 2016, 04:38:19 PMFirst decreasing applications is not the only way to improve odds. More tags will also increase odds. Second I believe there is a 0% chance of wdfw ever limiting the numbers of different categories you can apply for. That results in them brining in less revenue which I don't think they will ever agree too.Again, that's why I suggest they allow people to continue to accrue points in all categories. To beat a dead horse... Instead of limiting people to 1 category, have everyone apply for categories as they are and have them order categories into list of importance and once a permit is drawn they are done for that year. It would give you the same theoretical 1/250 odds a that you discussed earlier and people wouldn't be discouraged from applying to all permits.Again, I think any change that doesn't actually decrease points/applicantions is still a gimmick.While that concept would marginally improve odds it would be a very minor improvement at best. There aren't enough tags to actually draw to actually cut down on the number of applicants in subsequent categories. By that system anyone with a lick of sense would just out the oil tags as their top priority. There are only roughly 100 total oil tags so that would really not improve oil odds at all and only remove about 100 people from the deer/elk draws.