.22 for defense

[Mongo Hunter]

I the world of something is better than nothing...yes it will do the job. Overall though no its not acceptable IMO. Can a .22 kill? yes of course it can don't be stupid, but so can a rock or a sharp stick are you going to carry one of those? my reasoning against .22 is this;

1) A gun for self defense needs to be reliable first. .22 ammo is made cheap and quick even the "good stuff". Ive had stingers fail badly in good guns. Center fire ammo IS more reliable.
2) Like the ammo the guns that chamber the round tend to be just as cheap and unreliable. the .22LR is a rimed cartridge and was never meant for semi autos again leaving you open to more failures. that leaves revolvers as the most reliable for .22LR, but even revolvers have their draw backs.
3) Effectiveness of a .22LR is not as good as the larger calibers. CAN it penetrate deep enough? yes. CAN it cause damage to organs or nervous systems? yes. Is it the right too for the job when you put in the same group as other firearms? no. Considering size and weight is generally similar to .380s or 9mm its weak in comparison.

As for the a .22LR is "all you can handle". unless you have an actual medical condition or disability that prevents you from firing larger calibers...man up. The people that say they can only handle a .22LR and don't have a medical condition need training. I've seen an 80 year old lady fire .357, don't tell me you cant handle a .380 or 9mm. start with .22 and train and practice you can handle something bigger.

Rant over

Carry the best tool for the job, nothing smaller than .380.

[b23]

For a CCW in a rimfire, Ruger's LCR 22mag would likely be about the best choice.  BUT, whether any rimfire cartridge as a CCW is a "good" choice, is always a topic of debate and the argument, toward or against, can be made for both.

I think the argument could easily be made that the average, infrequent, shooter could likely make more on target hits with a 22 than they could with a centerfire and probably a lot more, rapid fire, on target hits with a 22, also.  For those that practice their shooting skills as well as practice different scenarios for how to react and what to do in the event they'll have to draw their CCW, a centerfire is likely going to be a much better choice for them.  That's my 2 cent opinion.

[NW-GSP]

Not advocating the .22 as a personal carry weapon, but in 1989 the DOJ determined it probably that more people had been killed by a .22 in the U.S. than any other caliber. So clearly it is lethal- just how immediately incapacitating is the issue.

 In 2009, US Army Major Nidal Hasan killed 13, and severely injured (immediately incapacitating) 30 more, in the Fort Hood "workplace violence" shooting.....all with a .22 caliber handgun.

 A big caliber handgun that you can not keep the muzzle on target with is not as effective as the one you can.

That was a fnh five seven. That is completely different then a .22 long rifle

[huntnphool]

Not advocating the .22 as a personal carry weapon, but in 1989 the DOJ determined it probably that more people had been killed by a .22 in the U.S. than any other caliber. So clearly it is lethal- just how immediately incapacitating is the issue.

 In 2009, US Army Major Nidal Hasan killed 13, and severely injured (immediately incapacitating) 30 more, in the Fort Hood "workplace violence" shooting.....all with a .22 caliber handgun.

 A big caliber handgun that you can not keep the muzzle on target with is not as effective as the one you can.

That was a fnh five seven. That is completely different then a .22 long rifle

 The OP never specified "rimfire" or "long rifle", he said .22, which includes the FiveSeven and .22 Mag, yes they are completely different, but still .22 caliber.

 Was his intent the .22LR? 

[NW-GSP]

Not advocating the .22 as a personal carry weapon, but in 1989 the DOJ determined it probably that more people had been killed by a .22 in the U.S. than any other caliber. So clearly it is lethal- just how immediately incapacitating is the issue.

 In 2009, US Army Major Nidal Hasan killed 13, and severely injured (immediately incapacitating) 30 more, in the Fort Hood "workplace violence" shooting.....all with a .22 caliber handgun.

 A big caliber handgun that you can not keep the muzzle on target with is not as effective as the one you can.

That was a fnh five seven. That is completely different then a .22 long rifle

 The OP never specified "rimfire" or "long rifle", he said .22, which includes the FiveSeven and .22 Mag, yes they are completely different, but still .22 caliber.

 Was his intent the .22LR? 

Might as well as include 556 then also, that's a 22 cal bullet.

[Westside88]

I wouldn't choose my 22lr pistol as a go to for defense, but a clip full of stingers on target isn't anything I'd want to be on the receiving end of

[Bofire]

I have and do carry a model 21 Beretta 22lr in my shirt pocket quite a lot, not the best but OK, to go with my 45 or 9mm. at 7 yards I can put 6 in a 6 inch group as fast as I can shoot it. and it works very dependably. Not my fav but it would work.
Carl

[Dan-o]

A 22 pistol will stop almost anyone..... likely without firing a shot.

I know it would stop me.

My brother snatched one out of a guys hand while pointed at him and beat the piss out him with it. Id carry something bigger.

Does the fact that your brother snatched the pistol have anything to do with the fact that is was a 22?

If it had been a 357, would that be too heavy to snatch, or what am I missing?

[Dan-o]

And only if I was gona pull the trigger.

I would not go buy one but if it was what I had, well ok then. If I needed a summertime pocket gun id either go with an airlight $357 or a bond style derriger in what ever caliber gun I already owned. I think you get a good deal on multipal barrels when you buy the gun.

Agreed that I would not carry unless I was willing to shoot........   and I do carry.

But my point was simply that you can stop a lot of aggression with the mere presence of a firearm.   But again, don't pull it if you won't use it.

[huntnphool]

Not advocating the .22 as a personal carry weapon, but in 1989 the DOJ determined it probably that more people had been killed by a .22 in the U.S. than any other caliber. So clearly it is lethal- just how immediately incapacitating is the issue.

 In 2009, US Army Major Nidal Hasan killed 13, and severely injured (immediately incapacitating) 30 more, in the Fort Hood "workplace violence" shooting.....all with a .22 caliber handgun.

 A big caliber handgun that you can not keep the muzzle on target with is not as effective as the one you can.

That was a fnh five seven. That is completely different then a .22 long rifle

 The OP never specified "rimfire" or "long rifle", he said .22, which includes the FiveSeven and .22 Mag, yes they are completely different, but still .22 caliber.

 Was his intent the .22LR? 

Might as well as include 556 then also, that's a 22 cal bullet.

 That's the point, .22 caliber bullets are plenty leathal.

[grundy53]

Not me. I might take a .22 mag over nothing at all, but a .22lr is kind of a joke to me. 

Would you volunteer to be shot by one?   .22's are not a joke. That's just a perception. One that would change if this discussion was moved from the theoretical to the real world.

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[grundy53]

A 22 pistol will stop almost anyone..... likely without firing a shot.

I know it would stop me.

My brother snatched one out of a guys hand while pointed at him and beat the piss out him with it. Id carry something bigger.

Does the fact that your brother snatched the pistol have anything to do with the fact that is was a 22?

If it had been a 357, would that be too heavy to snatch, or what am I missing?

Agreed. I don't see how caliber is even relevant in that situation?

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[NW-GSP]

Not advocating the .22 as a personal carry weapon, but in 1989 the DOJ determined it probably that more people had been killed by a .22 in the U.S. than any other caliber. So clearly it is lethal- just how immediately incapacitating is the issue.

 In 2009, US Army Major Nidal Hasan killed 13, and severely injured (immediately incapacitating) 30 more, in the Fort Hood "workplace violence" shooting.....all with a .22 caliber handgun.

 A big caliber handgun that you can not keep the muzzle on target with is not as effective as the one you can.

That was a fnh five seven. That is completely different then a .22 long rifle

 The OP never specified "rimfire" or "long rifle", he said .22, which includes the FiveSeven and .22 Mag, yes they are completely different, but still .22 caliber.

 Was his intent the .22LR? 

Might as well as include 556 then also, that's a 22 cal bullet.

 That's the point, .22 caliber bullets are plenty leathal.

No that is not the point. The velocity of a .22 lr and the velocity of a 555 are completely different along with the grain of the bullet. There is a reason why our military is using 556 instead of .22lr.

Will a .22 lr kill someone? Yes it will. Does it have the same ability to shut down the central nervous system of a attacker as the most common pistol cartridges? NO!.

bb guns have the ability to kill people but does the mean I'm going to carry one for self protection? No.

[Special T]

A 22 pistol will stop almost anyone..... likely without firing a shot.

I know it would stop me.

My brother snatched one out of a guys hand while pointed at him and beat the piss out him with it. Id carry something bigger.

Does the fact that your brother snatched the pistol have anything to do with the fact that is was a 22?

If it had been a 357, would that be too heavy to snatch, or what am I missing?

I do think it made a difference. Perception is everything.  Had it been a 357 my brother might not have called his manhood into question.
Do you rember the Crocodile Dundee scene where he gets a switchblade pulled on him and says "that not a knife!" Then pulls his bowie k ife and says " now thats a knife!"

I belive it tactically bad to pull a pistol to threaten some one, its even worse when its percieved as a pea shooter.

Could the 22lr have killed him? You bet but the 22revolver doesnt send the same message as a cromed desert eagle.

[grundy53]

A 22 pistol will stop almost anyone..... likely without firing a shot.

I know it would stop me.

My brother snatched one out of a guys hand while pointed at him and beat the piss out him with it. Id carry something bigger.

Does the fact that your brother snatched the pistol have anything to do with the fact that is was a 22?

If it had been a 357, would that be too heavy to snatch, or what am I missing?

I do think it made a difference. Perception is everything.  Had it been a 357 my brother might not have called his manhood into question.
Do you rember the Crocodile Dundee scene where he gets a switchblade pulled on him and says "that not a knife!" Then pulls his bowie k ife and says " now thats a knife!"

I belive it tactically bad to pull a pistol to threaten some one, its even worse when its percieved as a pea shooter.

Could the 22lr have killed him? You bet but the 22revolver doesnt send the same message as a cromed desert eagle.

I believe that way of thinking could very well get you killed.

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