JOE WATT SHED HUNTERS BEWARE!!

[canyelk48]

Heads up on where you decide to park!  Humped over 8 miles this morning looking for sheds (came up empty), and came back to my truck that was parked on the grass where they feed the elk in the winter, and also where RV's and horse trailers park and camp out, to find a $150 ticket on my truck for violation of the Green Dot regulation.  WTF is that??  Been parking in the same spot for 5 years and there are horse camps set up in the same area all Summer long.  I guess F&W are hard up for money, or the Warden on duty today was just pissed off because he had to work on a Sunday.  I'll be going to court on this one.

[vandeman17]

Same thing happened to me a while back on opener of deer. Pulled off the road down a little skid road to glass. There was a watering trough for horses and just two weeks prior there was a big camp. Warden came out and gave me a ticket for being off green dot road. I read regs closer as to distsnce off green dot and almost every camp could have been written up but weren't. Really made me 

[Thehowler]

Wardens today have there traffic quota to meet.

[Encore 280]

You're sposed to park in the middle of the road and block the gate!!! Didn't you know that? Are you sure someone didn't take the ticket off their rig and put it on yours?

[bigtex]

Heads up on where you decide to park!  Humped over 8 miles this morning looking for sheds (came up empty), and came back to my truck that was parked on the grass where they feed the elk in the winter, and also where RV's and horse trailers park and camp out, to find a $150 ticket on my truck for violation of the Green Dot regulation.  WTF is that??  Been parking in the same spot for 5 years and there are horse camps set up in the same area all Summer long.  I guess F&W are hard up for money, or the Warden on duty today was just pissed off because he had to work on a Sunday.  I'll be going to court on this one.

The fine money goes to the county not WDFW.

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[PlateauNDN]

Building revenue for their soon to be high profile case.

[benhuntin]

I should have taken a pic. Were you the guy over at the base of the hill?


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[dontgetcrabs]

Building revenue for their soon to be high profile case.

 

[bigtex]

Wardens today have there traffic quota to meet.

It's not a traffic citation. There are no traffic violations in RCW 77 (the fish and wildlife code).

[Thehowler]

Parking ticket?

[Oh Mah]

Not sure exactly where you parked but i do know new signs were put up at the end of last season in some areas.Sounds like you were in the area where the elk rubs are in the grass where they feed.New signs down that about 25 feet off the road. 

[bigtex]

Parking ticket?

It's a non-traffic natural resource infraction. Just like a barbed hook or hunter orange citation.

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[coachcw]

so are they gonna come in there during modern season and write 300 tickets ?

[kirkl]

Out where we elk in the green dot system we can't be farther than 100 feet off the road or its ticket time, so 100ft and below were good. How far off the road were ya.

[turbo]

Parking ticket?

It's a non-traffic natural resource infraction. Just like a barbed hook or hunter orange citation.

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Wow that's harsh.. Are you saying a parking ticket counts towards losing your hunting rights? If so it would be lawyer time for me..

[bigtex]

Parking ticket?

It's a non-traffic natural resource infraction. Just like a barbed hook or hunter orange citation.

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Wow that's harsh.. Are you saying a parking ticket counts towards losing your hunting rights? If so it would be lawyer time for me..

Infractions only count towards license suspension if they were a misdemeanor prior to 2005. Those that were created after 2005 as Infractions, or were Infractions prior to 2005 don't count towards license suspension. This offense has always been an infraction so it won't count towards suspension.

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[benhuntin]

Out where we elk in the green dot system we can't be farther than 100 feet off the road or its ticket time, so 100ft and below were good. How far off the road were ya.

Looked to be over 100 yards. I questioned the same truck being that far over there on our way out. We got stopped by the same game warden, asked how the kids did and said have a good day. He was stopping people for no access passes.

[fastdam]

Eventually we are gonna be shut out of these areas completely and people will justify it with good intentions the entire way. Stupid.

[cbond3318]

We were uprooted from our long standing elk camp in 328 the year green dot hit. Moved camp, pissed and moaned for a minute then adapted to the new rules. There are a few established camps within our same vicinity that never moved when clearly should have. I walk by every year expecting to hear about tickets but just doesn't seem to reach them.

Such is life and at least in our area , not much got removed from the fly list just pulled some camps out of the thick timber...

[Thehowler]

I guess I've been breaking the law for so many years now that I must be blind to it.
Family and friends have been setting up camps well over the 100 ft limit?, off green dot roads, for years. Of course parking also.
There are many short distance  off shoot roads, that dead end off green dot roads, that no longer even look like roads.
This state is maxed out on  law creators.

[Whitpirate]

Out where we elk in the green dot system we can't be farther than 100 feet off the road or its ticket time, so 100ft and below were good. How far off the road were ya.

Looked to be over 100 yards. I questioned the same truck being that far over there on our way out. We got stopped by the same game warden, asked how the kids did and said have a good day. He was stopping people for no access passes.

Yet they never ticket the hikers and bikers crowd at the Roost or the Subaru army at the feeding station in winter.  Get really tired of being the funding vehicle for enforcement and the targeted class all year.

[bigtex]

Out where we elk in the green dot system we can't be farther than 100 feet off the road or its ticket time, so 100ft and below were good. How far off the road were ya.

Looked to be over 100 yards. I questioned the same truck being that far over there on our way out. We got stopped by the same game warden, asked how the kids did and said have a good day. He was stopping people for no access passes.

Yet they never ticket the hikers and bikers crowd at the Roost or the Subaru army at the feeding station in winter.  Get really tired of being the funding vehicle for enforcement and the targeted class all year.

Yes they do. Those people just don't come on hunt-wa and complain. Every year WDFW even gives state parks with authority to enforce regs at the feed station.

Also, WDFW enforcement gets significant funding from the general fund (taxes, not WDFW licenses).

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[Whitpirate]

Where would I find statistics of tickets written at feeding stations?

[canyelk48]

Guess it's my bad, but in my defense, I've been parking in the same area for years, right alongside people who have set up camps, other parked rigs, etc.  To make matters worse, when I look out my window at home on various weekends during the Summer, I see the entire valley behind the hay barn is filled with horse trailers, RV's, campers, etc., for weekend riding events.  Never hear of them being a ticketed.  Ignorance is no excuse, but a simple warning would have had the same corrective measures for doing something that appears to have been allowed throughout the shed hunting, riding and camping seasons.

[quadrafire]

Could someone explain the green dot and 100 ft rule?  I've not heard of it

[huntandjeep]

Could someone explain the green dot and 100 ft rule?  I've not heard of it

Around here roads have a white picket @ the start of a road , on the picket is a green dot. If you don't see a white picket when you turn on a road it closed. You can drive no farther than 100' down a non green dot road.

[quadrafire]

Could someone explain the green dot and 100 ft rule?  I've not heard of it

Around here roads have a white picket @ the start of a road , on the picket is a green dot. If you don't see a white picket when you turn on a road it closed. You can drive no farther than 100' down a non green dot road.

Yakima area?

[Dan-o]

The ones I know of are near Yakima or E- Burg

[runamuk]

Could someone explain the green dot and 100 ft rule?  I've not heard of it

here is a green dot map of Lt Murray
http://waatva.org/documents/maps/LTMurray_GreenDot.pdf

[Happy Gilmore]

I did a public information request for a list of all written citations in the Snoqualmie valley. A rough guess was that 90% were for parking without a discover pass or wdFw permit. The other 10% mixed after hours shooting or no license and harvested birds. We should just get a few meter maids in three wheeled skooters like Seattle. The lack of ticketing always infers there is a lack of need for enforcement. Think on that....

[Happy Gilmore]

Adding to that the written reports, a very high percentage were reported as being people using the public trail through the valley. Blows me away how hard they work to keep people off public land.

[Happy Gilmore]

Oh, make sure you don't leave a garbage can out either because the bear ticket cops will show up and tell you how to use your garbage can.

Their public meeting recently is a prime example. There were more man hours dedicated to discussing a 10 year plan than were used executing the last ten year plan in 2006.

[kirkl]

Guess it's my bad, but in my defense, I've been parking in the same area for years, right alongside people who have set up camps, other parked rigs, etc.  To make matters worse, when I look out my window at home on various weekends during the Summer, I see the entire valley behind the hay barn is filled with horse trailers, RV's, campers, etc., for weekend riding events.  Never hear of them being a ticketed.  Ignorance is no excuse, but a simple warning would have had the same corrective measures for doing something that appears to have been allowed throughout the shed hunting, riding and camping seasons.

I see favorites being played a lot in selah area. Horse backers get a lot of leways. Also we hunt modern rifle and I've seen ML hunters farther than 100ft and nothing happens but I think the land manager out there is a ML hunter and he questions us, gave my dad a ticket a few years ago before we even knew about the rule but you go 5 miles past our camp and there's a camp 400 feet off the road and they done get anything.

[huntandjeep]

Could someone explain the green dot and 100 ft rule?  I've not heard of it

Around here roads have a white picket @ the start of a road , on the picket is a green dot. If you don't see a white picket when you turn on a road it closed. You can drive no farther than 100' down a non green dot road.

Yakima area?

Yes

[wags]

FYI, there's a game warden, ops, forgot they're now "Wildlife Police" who trolls through the DNR Snowpark lots up around Snoqualmie Pass.
A few years ago I came back to my truck and found a ticket on the windshield for not having a SnoPark permit; I did have one. I assumed the DNR LEO who was at the lot put it on my truck. I tracked him down and gave him an ear-full. Poor guy just stared at me with a bewildered look on his face. He asked to see the ticket. He let out a laugh and said something like "don't fish and wildlife have better things to do than troll through my lot".
I asked him what was wrong with how the permit was displayed in the windshield, he said "nothing, but your windshield could be a bit cleaner" (the note on the ticket said "permit not properly displayed"). I fought the ticket in the CleElum Court and beat it completely.
Nothing surprises me from our WDFW.

[Thehowler]

Protecting wildlife 24-7 with a parking ticket book.

[bigtex]

Protecting wildlife 24-7 with a parking ticket book.

FYI, sno-park and green dot road tickets aren't parking citations.

[Happy Gilmore]

Protecting wildlife 24-7 with a parking ticket book.

FYI, sno-park and green dot road tickets aren't parking citations.

same difference- The officers clearly should be replaced with less expensive parking code enforcement officers. They don't have to drive expensive to outfit rigs and have extensive on going training and certifications. Also, the insurance we would pay via required accreditation (for the State to have an officer) would no longer be an issue. Just another normal State employee.

It is obvious based upon all the parking tickets(no discover pass or parking off a green dot) is an issue a simple code enforcement person is all that is needed. 

Remember, when we write letters to our representatives, tell them we feel it is ok to cut the WDFW budget and enforcement officers and area managers who put up no parking signs should be the first to lose their jobs. If we are unhappy with the service we are getting, cut the budget and support budget cuts.

I'm becoming more convinced that State Patrol should be in charge of enforcement. Leave WDFW the biologists to focus on raising fish and increasing our deer and elk herds.

[canyelk48]

Just a little followup.  Okay, so I get ticketed for parking too far off of a green dot road on opening day of shed hunting, where I, along with many other have always parked in years past, but today this is what I see in the same field that is supposedly a ticketed offense for having vehicles.  So.....evidently this is okay WDFW??  Happens throughout the Summer and you look the other way.  I'll be taking this, and other photos that I took with me to court when I go to contest my ticket. 

[Thehowler]

You'll win this one I bet.
Opportunity, state law,money grab.
You boys get out there and write those parking tickets.

[johnnyaustin44]

Yeah that is some bs. I was thinking of you today when I rolled through there.

[hunterofelk]

Yes I think you should take that photo in to contest the ticket, but I am wondering if that is the Washington State Horse Riders-or a similar club-having a weekend camp and maybe they got a permit to camp that many from the state.  I see something like that on Memorial Day weekend too.

[runamuk]

Yes I think you should take that photo in to contest the ticket, but I am wondering if that is the Washington State Horse Riders-or a similar club-having a weekend camp and maybe they got a permit to camp that many from the state.  I see something like that on Memorial Day weekend too.

the one you are talking about is the John Wayne trail ride its a huge annual event.  http://www.jwpwr.org/cross-state-ride-2015/  so my guess is they have special use permits from the state.

[Ghost Hunter]

There are much larger groups than that that have been given more leeway.  Remember the Rainbows? 

[coachcw]

I see a giant group of woman riders there often during labor day weekend too . during modern rifle elk its a zoo too . just bs . good luck

[canyelk48]

Ticket DISMISSED!!!  The photos I took of a field full of trucks and horse trailers was probably a deciding factor.  Can't have it both ways Fish and Game, either ticket all, or none!  I will however, park in the parking lot in the future; lesson learned!

[trophyhunt]

Good to hear!

[johnnyaustin44]

Nice. Glad to hear this.

[Tjv28]

Killer! Persistence pays off