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Quote from: Mudman on May 08, 2016, 01:07:13 PMKeep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray. It is downright dangerous stuff. Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.Wrong! Bear spray is about 1 to 2 percent capsicum. Human spray is 10% plus capsicum. Nice try..
Keep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray. It is downright dangerous stuff. Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.
Quote from: Cougartail on May 08, 2016, 11:01:20 AMQuote from: Bob33 on May 08, 2016, 10:06:28 AMQuote from: Phantom16 on May 08, 2016, 09:58:58 AMI often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state. In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads. I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice. I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3sYes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".The "startle effect is all the spray has to offer"? Obviously, you have no first hand experience with pepper spray. How about you let someone video you being sprayed in the face with pepper spray and we'll post it on Hunting Washington so we can all witness you being "startled"? Every time this issue comes up, the macho mentality always comes from people who are going to gun down a charging grizzly with their handgun. Forget the studies that show pepper spray is more effective; people instead go with the opinion of some friend who has SOMEHOW managed to survive in Alaska with just a firearm, as if it's a daily struggle for life between man and bear. There are plenty of people who survive in Alaska and other bear country without a firearm, or bear spray for that matter.
Quote from: Bob33 on May 08, 2016, 10:06:28 AMQuote from: Phantom16 on May 08, 2016, 09:58:58 AMI often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state. In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads. I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice. I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3sYes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.Just so you know, in the 1/2 a second it takes a bear to cover 20 yards (effective range of spray) a bear won't feel much effect from the spray. By the time it starts the "burn" (if it is an actual attack) it's to late.The startle effect is all spray has to offer in reality. A firearm blast or horn blast is just as effective.Go for a long solo hike along a Alaskan stream choked full of salmon sometime. I don't "believe" I want a firearm. I "know" I want one with me in bear country.I have a friend who has lived at a remote Alaskan homestead for over 20 years. He has never owned bear spray and somehow managed to survive with just firearms. Mention bear spray and he'll reply, "City folks".
Quote from: Phantom16 on May 08, 2016, 09:58:58 AMI often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state. In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads. I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice. I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3sYes. I believe the odds are far better than the "pop" from a handgun attempting to hit a mad mamma charging at 30 mph.
I often carry a pistol (self protection caliber) in WA in black bear country but it's not for bear protection, it's for the goofballs we have running around in this state. In N ID or NW MT, I'll normally carry a Taurus 444 Ultralite .44 MAG with 305 GR HSM bear loads. I opt for a big "bang" vs a psssst from a can of compressed pepper spray... just my personal choice. I always like to share this VID when these threads pop up. Do you think the pssst from an aerosol can would have turned this momma bear? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s
Quote from: Cougartail on May 08, 2016, 03:57:44 PMQuote from: Mudman on May 08, 2016, 01:07:13 PMKeep in mind good bear spray is like 100xs stronger than people pepper spray. It is downright dangerous stuff. Plus its hard to miss just remember to spray at ground in front of animal charge.Wrong! Bear spray is about 1 to 2 percent capsicum. Human spray is 10% plus capsicum. Nice try..Sorry Bud but you aren't educated enough to "inform me". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray Its also illegal to use on Humans as its so potent and can damage eyes easily.
Cougar I think you cant see the decimal in front of your quoted 10%. Its .1% My point is spray is great! AND a gun is real good. Kinda like an airbag and a seatbelt..
Bear spray is 1% to 2% OC concentration. Human spray is typically 10% OC.
Quote from: Bob33 on May 08, 2016, 04:57:47 PMBear spray is 1% to 2% OC concentration. Human spray is typically 10% OC.Years ago, when I first got bear spray I thought it was the reverse. Thinking if it is more concentrated than that human stuff then it might be decent stuff. Then I learned I had the numbers reversed and just ditched the spray and went to the pistol.
Quote from: Mudman on May 08, 2016, 04:31:27 PMCougar I think you cant see the decimal in front of your quoted 10%. Its .1% My point is spray is great! AND a gun is real good. Kinda like an airbag and a seatbelt..Go to the Counter Assault website.. and get back to me. lol
The bear spray fans...what if you are in a tent, or it's windy? I've been pepper sprayed and I'm completely disabled. I'll take the gun every time. I know a lot of guys who spend a lot of time in the Alaskan backcountry and none of them choose spray over side arm.
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