Dog Shopping TABOO.

[bobcat]

Should the hunting-Washington forum require that all rifles listed for sale be capable of 1 moa accuracy or better?

[Blackjaw]

It is also the somewhat the responsibility of the buyer to know what questions to ask. For example, there are different tests that should be done (not required to be) that are applicable to different breeds. i.e. Spaniels have different hereditary probs that labs.

[Bill W]

I'd bet some of you posters would feel different if you bought a pup for hunting and found out at about 18 months it had hip issues.   Our neighbor has one that hurts and limps after a morning of hunting.  I suspect it will have a short life because of that.

Dogs shouldn't be bred if one of the parents has elbows/hips and some other issues.

Warren Ireland and Lee Salmon certify their dogs.  I believe both are members on here.

[weathergirl]

I'd bet some of you posters would feel different if you bought a pup for hunting and found out at about 18 months it had hip issues.   Our neighbor has one that hurts and limps after a morning of hunting.  I suspect it will have a short life because of that.

Dogs shouldn't be bred if one of the parents has elbows/hips and some other issues.

Warren Ireland and Lee Salmon certify their dogs.  I believe both are members on here.

Of course we all agree with health clearances.  The question posed was if it is the responsibility of HW to make a rule that this info has to be posted.

[BD1]

I don't understand the hostility around this subject  When I bought my last lab (from Warren Ireland) this was one of many different websites I went to for advice, recommendations. I got many great ideas and leads that I checked into. In the end it was my responsibility to do my due diligence...after all we are talking about the internet...where anything can look real. I never looked at this or any other forum as a gatekeeper of information/facts in my search...it was simply a resource for gathering ideas.  It amazes me how quickly people turn on this site...a site that is free...its just strange.

[Rainier10]

It is suc ha simple fix that you guys are blowing so far out of proportion. RTF classifieds have been thriving for years and with great success. The requirement for them to post the information gives not legal fault to the forum. It's just a rule that has to be followed to post. If the buyer wants to check up on the numbers provided it is on them.

I never blamed this forum for killing any dogs. I was just saying that it would be nice to see some preventative measures. Good luck dog shoppers you will find no help here in HW.

Also the first responsibility is in the hands of a breeder not the buyer. The buyer should always check for themselves but the breeder should never breed without those clearances in the first place.

Okay, I can't take it any more, I'm in.

I don't think it is wrong to ask for the certifications or clearances to be posted.   I think it acceptable for the question to be asked if it is not posted in the original add. I don't know that we need a rule saying that you have to provide this information in the post.

I do know that we already have rules about how we are supposed to interact with other members, the classified section specifically says you can't make negative posts in someone's ad.

I also know that this all started because your interaction in someone else's classified add was not within the rules according to multiple moderators.

There was a nicer way to ask the question that you asked in the other thread.  A simple repost of the question after the first one was deleted would have cleared this all up.

Unfortunately you have chosen to dig your feet in and are asking a forum to comment on a different issue to make your point.

It wouldn't have been a big deal had you just modified your original question.  The big deal is all on you in my opinion.

Edit, I see that you did go back to that thread after you started this one and did ask the question in a manner within the rules. That is all it would have took to not make this a big deal.

[Jonathan_S]

Should the hunting-Washington forum require that all rifles listed for sale be capable of 1 moa accuracy or better?

Yes, only Tikkas

[birddogdad]

There is a huge difference between Education and Regulation....

Any responsible dog owner is going to have the required health certifications done before the breading.
Asking in an open forum is fine.
I do not agree that we need more rules.
There are so many now that the only ones that benefit are lawyers.

It is the buyers responsibility to make sure they are getting what they are paying for. 

Well said.

 
and this being said, if an issue does crop up, a reputable seller will step up too.. or public shame in this computer age is pretty much the norm...

[jackelope]

The reason the post was deleted was the way it came across. Not that the question was asked in the first place. There was a majority decision among 5 moderators to delete the post. Points have been made from both sides of the discussion. This thread is locked. If there are any further questions or issues, feel free to send any moderator a message. We're happy to help.