Seattle's gun tax - Punishment for owning firearms

[Alchase]

Is Seattle’s gun tax really a misguided punishment tax?

The City of Seattle promoted its gun tax as a means of paying for the byproducts of gun violence. The tax is added to sales of firearms and ammunition. But KIRO Radio’s Ron Upshaw and Tom Tangney wonder if we are now seeing the true intention of the tax.

“It’s kind of like a punishment tax,” said KIRO Radio’s Tom Tangney who was stepping in as co-host alongside Ron Upshaw.

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“The city council decided that guns do bad things to people so we should have some kind of reparation,” Tom said. “So the people who sell guns may or may not have been involved with that harm so maybe they should mitigate some of the harm brought on by guns. I don’t know if this will work. I don’t have a problem with what the city council is trying to do. The question is if it will run all the gun shops out of town.”

That’s exactly what happened. Seattle’s two gun stores left town to avoid the tax that places a $25 fee on each gun sold and 5 cents on every round of ammunition. At least one pawn shop simply stopped selling firearms and ammunition altogether just so it wouldn’t have to deal with it. And the remaining stores aren’t primarily firearms stores, such as Outdoor Emporium which sells a range of outdoor supplies. That store, however, reports that the tax did hit them hard — enough so that it laid off two employees. The store’s owner, Mike Coombs, said the layoffs were the result of the gun tax.

Ron argues that he believes the idea of the gun tax started out with good intentions, but by the time it went through the city’s process, it ended with unintended consequences.

“Sometimes I feel like, in the Pacific Northwest specifically, we are ham-handed when it comes to figuring something like this out,” Ron said. “I think the spirit of it started out pure. We wanted to help out with gun violence, we want to minimize gun violence. And I think most people, even gun owners, would say ‘yeah do that.'”

“But then it became ham-handed in execution,” he said. “If you’ve been to Outdoor Emporium, it’s not a gun store. It’s an outdoor store. The gun section is a tiny fraction of the store and most of it is geared toward hunting. And now you’re forcing a business owner that already deals with all kinds of tax rates and incentives, and he’s basically having … to fire people on the floor. That part of it I find off-putting.”

Ron notes that he has family members who shoot guns and adding the 5 cents on each round of ammunition is excessive for hobbyists who can go through hundreds of rounds in a practice session.

While Tom doesn’t entirely agree with Ron — he thinks something should be done to address gun violence — he thinks the gun tax probably isn’t the correct way to deal with firearm issues.

“Do I think it’s going to cure gun violence? No. Do I think that the people that sell guns are responsible for that gun violence? As a rule, no,” he said. “I feel it’s a way for the City of Seattle to express its displeasure at the harm guns do and trying to extract some help.”

[Special T]

Businesses need to vote with thier feet! Many moons ago I shopped at and purchased duck hunting gear from them. Imo they would be wise to leave Seatown. I think they would be better off a little more north or even on the eastside.  Most businesses like thiers that have been in place for a long time would find the cost of doing business much lower by moving outside the city. The city doesnt care about your/thier business so why should you?

[7mag.]

The Seattle City Council is completely out of control. Just when you think they couldn't do anything more absurd, they prove you wrong.

[Colville]

The article is wrong.  They knew they'd drive out he gun shops and that was intended. They know and used the San Fran example.  They don't want gun shops and don't believe in personal gun ownership rights. The tax is not for paying for gun consequences, it's to punish ownership, dissuade selling and express their position that guns have no place in society.  Any read, that any of the consequences was a surprise is naive at the very least.

[pianoman9701]

The 9th Circuit Court decision on the buying and selling of firearms being a part of 2nd Amendment rights may be cause for this to be struck down.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/huge-2nd-amendment-court-ruling-from-court-of-appeals-massive-win-for-gun-rights/?utm_source=MA

[CP]

The 9th Circuit Court decision on the buying and selling of firearms being a part of 2nd Amendment rights may be cause for this to be struck down.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/huge-2nd-amendment-court-ruling-from-court-of-appeals-massive-win-for-gun-rights/?utm_source=MA

Let's hope so.  They tried to make this state wide and I expect they will keep trying if they can.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2374

[huntnphool]

Is Seattle’s gun tax really a misguided punishment tax?

“It’s kind of like a punishment tax,” said KIRO Radio’s Tom Tangney who was stepping in as co-host alongside Ron Upshaw.

 I'm betting he won't be asked to fill in on that gig again!

Ron argues that he believes the idea of the gun tax started out with good intentions, but by the time it went through the city’s process, it ended with unintended consequences.

 What a shock, more poorly thought out, knee jerk liberal legistlation, resulting in undesirable consequences........who could have possibly seen that coming!

[mossy8352]

This is the same city that supports drug usage by their needle exchange police free areas. No not a surprise for the new communist state of Seattle!

[csaaphill]

The 9th Circuit Court decision on the buying and selling of firearms being a part of 2nd Amendment rights may be cause for this to be struck down.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/huge-2nd-amendment-court-ruling-from-court-of-appeals-massive-win-for-gun-rights/?utm_source=MA

Could I 594 opposition also be used from this finding?

[pianoman9701]

The 9th Circuit Court decision on the buying and selling of firearms being a part of 2nd Amendment rights may be cause for this to be struck down.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/huge-2nd-amendment-court-ruling-from-court-of-appeals-massive-win-for-gun-rights/?utm_source=MA

Could I 594 opposition also be used from this finding?

I had that thought.

[Fl0und3rz]

The Seattle City Council is completely out of control. Just when you think they couldn't do anything more absurd, they prove you wrong.

From the don't think anything can be more absurd department . . .

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/tom-brokaw-tells-college-students-owning-guns-leads-terrorism/

Of course it is punishment.  They have the same regard for you as they do for terrorists.

[Stickerbush]

So annoyed when I had to pay this tax to buy turkey loads! I love outdoor emporium but will not buy anything there that will contribute to this tax again. By the city councils logic shouldn't they just tax the criminals who are involved in gun violence? I feel bad for the shops in Seattle and will contribute when I can but will not buy guns or ammo!

[Fl0und3rz]

So annoyed when I had to pay this tax to buy turkey loads! I love outdoor emporium but will not buy anything there that will contribute to this tax again. By the city councils logic shouldn't they just tax the criminals who are involved in gun violence? I feel bad for the shops in Seattle and will contribute when I can but will not buy guns or ammo!

Support Precise Shooter in Lynnwood.  He voted with his wallet and moved out of Seattle due to the SCC nonsense.

[JimmyHoffa]

From the Seattle news daily shootings recount, one would think crime is going up since these taxes (and 594). 

[Stickerbush]

Is there any update to this gun tax, is it posted anywhere as far as revenue generated and what kinds of "research" they have been doing with the money

[pianoman9701]

The article is wrong.  They knew they'd drive out he gun shops and that was intended. They know and used the San Fran example.  They don't want gun shops and don't believe in personal gun ownership rights. The tax is not for paying for gun consequences, it's to punish ownership, dissuade selling and express their position that guns have no place in society.  Any read, that any of the consequences was a surprise is naive at the very least.