Wolves, a good thing?

[kiticaashunter]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

[JLS]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

I see you and 257 have now categorized yourself as liberals.  DaveMonti can help you with any questions.

[Kazekurt]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

 Be careful when you try to make comparisons between two different types of laws  as you are not necessarily always comparing apples to apples.   There have been blatantly wrong laws put on the books in this country.  Historically, There has been laws making it legal to kill people of  certain religious groups, ethnicities, etc and it is often peaceful protest and civil disobedience that gets these laws changed.   The wolf issue is very complex, especially for those in the  livestock industry.   I believe people have a constitutional right to defend their property   And that this supersedes certain  regulations .   If I were a rancher, and my  means of feeding my family was routinely being affected   By predators I would probably practice sss and would not feel like a "poacher"  for doing so.  There have been cases where courts in places like California have blocked people in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming from having the right to do this  and personally, I do not feel  that people are necessarily obligated to follow corrupt Laws and rulings  that are clearly influenced  by activist agendas  of people who have no skin in the game and not necessarily the will of the people.   There are certainly also segments of the population  That feel certain predators if left unmanaged  adversely affect other species and threaten   Their family traditions and means of substanance.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for outright  anarchy but things have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis  and comparing this issue to the Bullwinkle debacle is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

[257 Wby Mag]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

 Be careful when you try to make comparisons between two different types of laws  as you are not necessarily always comparing apples to apples.   There have been blatantly wrong laws put on the books in this country.  Historically, There has been laws making it legal to kill people of  certain religious groups, ethnicities, etc and it is often peaceful protest and civil disobedience that gets these laws changed.   The wolf issue is very complex, especially for those in the  livestock industry.   I believe people have a constitutional right to defend their property   And that this supersedes certain  regulations .   If I were a rancher, and my  means of feeding my family was routinely being affected   By predators I would probably practice sss and would not feel like a "poacher"  for doing so.  There have been cases where courts in places like California have blocked people in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming from having the right to do this  and personally, I do not feel  that people are necessarily obligated to follow corrupt Laws and rulings  that are clearly influenced  by activist agendas  of people who have no skin in the game and not necessarily the will of the people.   There are certainly also segments of the population  That feel certain predators if left unmanaged  adversely affect other species and threaten   Their family traditions and means of substanance.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for outright  anarchy but things have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis  and comparing this issue to the Bullwinkle debacle is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Just pointing out the double standard...

[257 Wby Mag]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

I see you and 257 have now categorized yourself as liberals.  DaveMonti can help you with any questions.

Haha I'm crying!! Been called allota things, but never a liberal!! Lmfao

[buglebrush]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

 Be careful when you try to make comparisons between two different types of laws  as you are not necessarily always comparing apples to apples.   There have been blatantly wrong laws put on the books in this country.  Historically, There has been laws making it legal to kill people of  certain religious groups, ethnicities, etc and it is often peaceful protest and civil disobedience that gets these laws changed.   The wolf issue is very complex, especially for those in the  livestock industry.   I believe people have a constitutional right to defend their property   And that this supersedes certain  regulations .   If I were a rancher, and my  means of feeding my family was routinely being affected   By predators I would probably practice sss and would not feel like a "poacher"  for doing so.  There have been cases where courts in places like California have blocked people in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming from having the right to do this  and personally, I do not feel  that people are necessarily obligated to follow corrupt Laws and rulings  that are clearly influenced  by activist agendas  of people who have no skin in the game and not necessarily the will of the people.   There are certainly also segments of the population  That feel certain predators if left unmanaged  adversely affect other species and threaten   Their family traditions and means of substanance.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for outright  anarchy but things have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis  and comparing this issue to the Bullwinkle debacle is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Just pointing out the double standard...

Not a double standard IMO.  Sometimes the right thing to do and the legal thing to do are at odds.  Not wanting to totally thread jack here, but what if you were in Nazi Germany and were ordered to exterminate the jews and others?  From the attitude of many on here I am fearful they would've responded with "Heil Hitler".  Everyone must make up their own mind about what to do when the law is clearly in the wrong.  That is why your example of 400" bull and 190" buck are not applicable, and supporting SSS on illegally introduced wolves but standing against poaching is not necessarily a double standard.   

[257 Wby Mag]

So gaining permission from a wdfw agent, having a tag valid for said unit, using proper equipment , is such a haneious act, but blatantly breaking state and federal law is ok??  I just don't savvy some of your guys reasoning...

[257 Wby Mag]

Hell lets just let all the houndmen hunt wide open for bear and lions why we're at it, they're predators, that's the most effective way to manage them. While we're at it lets go shoot some seals and sea lions!!

[DaveMonti]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

I've been labeled as the dreaded liberal, huh?  Based on what?  My commentary of the interactions of people on this forum?  I've not stated anything about wolves, policy, or what I favor.  Perfect example, if you state something that others disagree on, whether it be the subject matter of the post, or anything that makes another feel uncomfortable, you are labeled as an evil, 2A hating liberal.  Nice job in supporting my argument.  You have absolutely nothing on my views on politics, hunting, wildlife, or anything.  You only have comments about what is said on this post, and being that you don't like it, you label me as directly opposite of you.  Keep it up, build your case!  Everyone who doesn't believe exactly as you is a flaming anti liberal! 

I see you and 257 have now categorized yourself as liberals.  DaveMonti can help you with any questions.

[JimmyHoffa]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

I've been labeled as the dreaded liberal, huh?  Based on what?  My commentary of the interactions of people on this forum?  I've not stated anything about wolves, policy, or what I favor.  Perfect example, if you state something that others disagree on, whether it be the subject matter of the post, or anything that makes another feel uncomfortable, you are labeled as an evil, 2A hating liberal.  Nice job in supporting my argument.  You have absolutely nothing on my views on politics, hunting, wildlife, or anything.  You only have comments about what is said on this post, and being that you don't like it, you label me as directly opposite of you. Keep it up, build your case!  Everyone who doesn't believe exactly as you is a flaming anti liberal! 

I see you and 257 have now categorized yourself as liberals.  DaveMonti can help you with any questions.

I think you were labeled by a liberal in this case.

[257 Wby Mag]

Just sitting here thinking, I got sent a pic the other day of a giant hound killed bear here in Lewis county, I mean a dandy!! It's on the up and up, timber comp depredation permit. State law prohibits the use of hound hunting for big game , buuuuuut, wdfw has given timber company's PERMISSION to hunt bear with dogs. Is this so much different than the riechert case? Oh it is, cause one is a 400" bull and the other is a predator ... Flame on boys...

[trophyhunt]

I wish I had some makers!! You feverishly run your yap about other poaching, yet when it comes to sss and wolf management , you come across like "it's alright"...  You're doing great ol wise one...

You nailed it. He continues to pop off about things he has no clue about, then more than implies he supportd this kind of outright poaching. Doesn't suprise me in the least with this type of person.

I see you and 257 have now categorized yourself as liberals.  DaveMonti can help you with any questions.

Haha I'm crying!! Been called allota things, but never a liberal!! Lmfao

lol, he obviously doesn't know you.  If we could only be honest on this forum with everything! 

[JimmyHoffa]

Just sitting here thinking, I got sent a pic the other day of a giant hound killed bear here in Lewis county, I mean a dandy!! It's on the up and up, timber comp depredation permit. State law prohibits the use of hound hunting for big game , buuuuuut, wdfw has given timber company's PERMISSION to hunt bear with dogs. Is this so much different than the riechert case? Oh it is, cause one is a 400" bull and the other is a predator ... Flame on boys...

The timber companies have an exception written into the actual law.  Is there an RCW that gives the elk hunter exception to violate that law?  I don't think there's any argument that the law was broken for the elk case (unless it was being tried on intent/conspiracy), the punishment phase is where the consideration of getting bad permission from WDFW would come in.  The WDFW employee could end up worse than the hunter.

[257 Wby Mag]

Lol it's hard being nice sometimes for fear of getting banned...

[257 Wby Mag]

Just sitting here thinking, I got sent a pic the other day of a giant hound killed bear here in Lewis county, I mean a dandy!! It's on the up and up, timber comp depredation permit. State law prohibits the use of hound hunting for big game , buuuuuut, wdfw has given timber company's PERMISSION to hunt bear with dogs. Is this so much different than the riechert case? Oh it is, cause one is a 400" bull and the other is a predator ... Flame on boys...

The timber companies have an exception written into the actual law.  Is there an RCW that gives the elk hunter exception to violate that law?  I don't think there's any argument that the law was broken for the elk case (unless it was being tried on intent/conspiracy), the punishment phase is where the consideration of getting bad permission from WDFW would come in.  The WDFW employee could end up worse than the hunter.

Which is straight bs!!