tribes "closing" skok

[birddogdad]

exercising boundaries to shut down skok looks like downstream from 101 this year. This could get interesting

[JimmyHoffa]

I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.

[birddogdad]

I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/outdoors/tribe-blocks-salmon-fishing-on-skokomish-river-343d4919-4c41-4369-e053-0100007fb9f0-381592681.html

this is a can of worms, hoh? quil? solduc? hump? where will this end?

[bearmanric]

Cant fish Lake Quinalt any more either.  Rick

[sirmissalot]

What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?

[twolabs]

The state should shut down the hatchery if they don't want to share the fish. They will net it until the fish are gone.

[chester]

What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?

Tacoma power just built two new ones for them as part of an agreement to keep the dams running.


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[sirmissalot]

What has always baffled me is, aren't the majority of the fish they are claiming as theirs, fish from a washington state hatchery?

Tacoma power just built two new ones for them as part of an agreement to keep the dams running.


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Right, which my understanding is those will be tribal hatcheries

[chester]

Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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[Rainier10]

 

[PlateauNDN]

Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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The state doesn't run all the hatcheries so that would only work in certain runs/rivers/tributaries.  Those that operate their own wouldn't be affected.

[chester]

Correct, so if they control the river to the point the state quits stocking it they have a couple more years of returns. They won't run out of fish.


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The state doesn't run all the hatcheries so that would only work in certain runs/rivers/tributaries.  Those that operate their own wouldn't be affected.

You are correct, we are talking about the skok specifically.


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[Badhabit]

Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

[chester]

I believe it's bordered by the river . Other side is private parcels and state ground. If I understood it how it was written they are claiming the water too.


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[Badhabit]

I recall the Yakamas had a similar claim to the Yakima River within their reservation boundaries claiming the rights to the high water mark on the other side of the river. The WDFW and the Yakamas worked something out not sure what arguments were used by both sides to resolve it but I believe it was resolved in a way that both sides were happy.

[MADMAX]

its too bad to lose such a quality opportunity
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[JimmyHoffa]

its too bad to lose such a quality opportunity
sarcasm font applied

But it was contained in a certain area.  Now everyone is going to have to go elsewhere and crowd in on the places that are still open. No skok or Puyallup, this year--guess everyone will go to the Quilcene for the coho (unless there's something shinier closer by).

[MADMAX]

yes another "quality" fishery
Maybe even chum at hoodsport later in the fall, or the Puyallup ?
too bad
the whole thing needs to be re-looked at (please Mr Trump ), Tribes with casinos dont need subsistence fisheries IMO.
If its shutdown let them all go through spawn ( no nets) and start a new cycle in quality fisheries, does anyone recall the puget sound blackmouth enhancement $$ , another stellar example of these various fisheries council needs to get some help to do it right
rant over

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Love how the article condemns the recreational people fishing for Sport.  Redistribution of the land and wealth in this country to take away from Americans wholesome family values.  We as Americans should feel bad for things all cultures do and have done for thousands of years, Care about there own people.  A lot of the  Skok Indians ive met personally are a very ruthless group of meth addicts and thieves.  You can see from the condition of the homes on the reservation that drugs and alcohol are VERY prevalent in the community.  I also know first hand that this is true from living nearby and spending lots of time at the river and in and around the community.  The condition of the properties goes the same for most all reservations I've ever seen.  Don't fall for the false hope of globalism. 

[lokidog]

Tribes with casinos dont need subsistence fisheries IMO.

sub·sist·ence
səbˈsistəns/Submit
noun
1.
the action or fact of maintaining or supporting oneself at a minimum level.
"the minimum income needed for subsistence"
synonyms:   maintenance, keep, upkeep, livelihood, room and board, board, nourishment, food
"the money needed for his subsistence"

This is what gets me, how is selling tons of fish (or just the eggs) subsistence?

[Dhoey07]

Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

If it's on Indian property then you are in a different nation all together, on water or land.  Unless the piece of river they are claiming is off of indian land 

[chester]

Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

If it's on Indian property then you are in a different nation all together, on water or land.  Unless the piece of river they are claiming is off of indian land 

That would be the issue . They are claiming water rights and anything in it.


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[Badhabit]

This is a must read article from the Dept of Interior dated Jan 15 2016.

https://solicitor.doi.gov/opinions/M-37034.pdf

[chester]

This is a must read article from the Dept of Interior dated Jan 15 2016.

https://solicitor.doi.gov/opinions/M-37034.pdf

Sounds like sport fishing is done on the skok.


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[Roundhead]

I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.

Indian Giving?

[chester]

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[haus]

Well now the Skok river wont eat up a full page in fishing regs, saves on paper, very green move by the tribe. Just doing their part to stop global warming.

[Duckslayer89]

Well now the Skok river wont eat up a full page in fishing regs, saves on paper, very green move by the tribe. Just doing their part to stop global warming.

 

[PolarBear]

They can have it right after the state closes the Purdy Creek Hatchery!  Within a few years there will not be a salmon in that whole system.

[chester]

They have their own hatchery that was just completed at the Kokanee dam. I don't think they are too worried.


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[haus]

They can have it right after the state closes the Purdy Creek Hatchery!  Within a few years there will not be a salmon in that whole system.

There will be, don't associate their desire to acquire our half of the quota with a take em all till they're all gone harvest strategy. While our non-tribal "tribe" of fisheries managers is all in on the anti-hatchery because hatchery fish are evil crusade. The Indian tribes certainly aren't of the same view. Considering they've already increased their hatchery capacity in the system any reduction on our end does nothing, but directly increase their market share.

This is business pure and simple. The whole anti-hatchery movement from our non-tribal tribe is an open door to the Indian tribes and they're certainly grabbing the bull by the horns, tactically and skillfully increasing their share and influence over the salmon industry with every move they make.

[JimmyHoffa]

They can have it right after the state closes the Purdy Creek Hatchery!  Within a few years there will not be a salmon in that whole system.

There will be, don't associate their desire to acquire our half of the quota with a take em all till they're all gone harvest strategy. While our non-tribal "tribe" of fisheries managers is all in on the anti-hatchery because hatchery fish are evil crusade. The Indian tribes certainly aren't of the same view. Considering they've already increased their hatchery capacity in the system any reduction on our end does nothing, but directly increase their market share.

This is business pure and simple. The whole anti-hatchery movement from our non-tribal tribe is an open door to the Indian tribes and they're certainly grabbing the bull by the horns, tactically and skillfully increasing their share and influence over the salmon industry with every move they make.

  When the resource is co-managed the various tribes (imo) don't do a good job or have a good image--mostly due to being fed up with WDFW.  Seems like they just go along with the state to not step on toes.  But once they get full control, it seems like they go to a different mindset.  The ones that come to mind are the Makah and the Quinault.  They have rivers on their reservations that are revenue generators for them and the fishing is quite a bit different than the shared rivers. 

[HntnFsh]

They have their own hatchery that was just completed at the Kokanee dam. I don't think they are too worried.


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How does that affect the Skok?

[JimmyHoffa]

they could release directly into the NF or truck smolts up the SF.

[HntnFsh]

Ya, I wasn't thinking about that too much when I replied. I was just visioning the hatchery at Potlatch for some reason. I work for Tacoma Power and have seen some info on the hatcheries. I'll have to look into them a little more.

[TheHunt]

In another 30 years this state's fishing will be terrible.  Better start thinking about retiring in Oregon or near British Columbia.

[JimmyHoffa]

In another 30 years this state's fishing will be terrible.  Better start thinking about retiring in Oregon or near British Columbia.

With all the people moving to Oregon I don't know if it will hold out much longer either.  Not as bad as Washington is getting, but they're on the same road it seems.

[snake]

Just another kick in the balls for WA Sportsmen.  We are losing opportunity all over the state every year, little by little.  We never get it back either.  Closing roads and Rivers... What a joke.

[Russ McDonald]

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[snake]

can we cuss when Hilary Clinton gets elected?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Ha!  She ain't getting elected. Maybe charges pressed against her. 

[snake]

I hope she doesn't, but i'm afraid she will.  She will be 10 times worse than Obama.  ANYWAY... I believe closing the skok will have a big impact on the area.  The see the Hatchery being sold to the tribe in the future.

[HntnFsh]

I hope she doesn't, but i'm afraid she will.  She will be 10 times worse than Obama.  ANYWAY... I believe closing the skok will have a big impact on the area.  The see the Hatchery being sold to the tribe in the future.

Hadnt thought about that. But wouldn't surprise me. Still think that was the hidden agenda of why the WDFW chose the Gene banks that they did!