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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2016, 09:30:20 AM »
its too bad to lose such a quality opportunity
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2016, 09:38:00 AM »
its too bad to lose such a quality opportunity
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But it was contained in a certain area.  Now everyone is going to have to go elsewhere and crowd in on the places that are still open. No skok or Puyallup, this year--guess everyone will go to the Quilcene for the coho (unless there's something shinier closer by).

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2016, 09:56:09 AM »
yes another "quality" fishery
Maybe even chum at hoodsport later in the fall, or the Puyallup ?
too bad
the whole thing needs to be re-looked at (please Mr Trump ), Tribes with casinos dont need subsistence fisheries IMO.
If its shutdown let them all go through spawn ( no nets) and start a new cycle in quality fisheries, does anyone recall the puget sound blackmouth enhancement $$ , another stellar example of these various fisheries council needs to get some help to do it right
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2016, 10:22:49 AM »
Love how the article condemns the recreational people fishing for Sport.  Redistribution of the land and wealth in this country to take away from Americans wholesome family values.  We as Americans should feel bad for things all cultures do and have done for thousands of years, Care about there own people.  A lot of the  Skok Indians ive met personally are a very ruthless group of meth addicts and thieves.  You can see from the condition of the homes on the reservation that drugs and alcohol are VERY prevalent in the community.  I also know first hand that this is true from living nearby and spending lots of time at the river and in and around the community.  The condition of the properties goes the same for most all reservations I've ever seen.  Don't fall for the false hope of globalism. 

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2016, 02:10:39 PM »
Tribes with casinos dont need subsistence fisheries IMO.


sub·sist·ence
səbˈsistəns/Submit
noun
1.
the action or fact of maintaining or supporting oneself at a minimum level.
"the minimum income needed for subsistence"
synonyms:   maintenance, keep, upkeep, livelihood, room and board, board, nourishment, food
"the money needed for his subsistence"

This is what gets me, how is selling tons of fish (or just the eggs) subsistence?

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2016, 03:12:13 PM »
Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

If it's on Indian property then you are in a different nation all together, on water or land.  Unless the piece of river they are claiming is off of indian land  :dunno:

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2016, 04:15:03 PM »
Pardon my ignorance on the Tribal boundaries on the Skok. Here's my question, if the Skok has navigable water/river how can the tribe(s) close of travel on the river? I understand that if your anchor or let your fishing weight hit the bottom of the river it would be trespassing but as long as your not making contact with the terra firma they can't stop you. Is this the situation on the Skok?

If it's on Indian property then you are in a different nation all together, on water or land.  Unless the piece of river they are claiming is off of indian land  :dunno:

That would be the issue . They are claiming water rights and anything in it.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2016, 05:04:15 PM »
This is a must read article from the Dept of Interior dated Jan 15 2016.

https://solicitor.doi.gov/opinions/M-37034.pdf

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2016, 06:51:46 PM »
This is a must read article from the Dept of Interior dated Jan 15 2016.

https://solicitor.doi.gov/opinions/M-37034.pdf

Sounds like sport fishing is done on the skok.


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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2016, 10:13:42 PM »
I read one place that the state used to acknowledge it as tribal land.  During that time the tribe sold access passes to anglers.  Then the state and the tribe had some agreement and anglers had access without tribal approval.  Now the tribe wants it back as when they sold passes.  Should be a can of worms if it hits the courts.
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2016, 10:14:09 PM »
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2016, 10:46:42 PM »
Well now the Skok river wont eat up a full page in fishing regs, saves on paper, very green move by the tribe. Just doing their part to stop global warming.
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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2016, 01:01:12 AM »
Well now the Skok river wont eat up a full page in fishing regs, saves on paper, very green move by the tribe. Just doing their part to stop global warming.

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2016, 02:47:34 AM »
They can have it right after the state closes the Purdy Creek Hatchery!  Within a few years there will not be a salmon in that whole system.

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Re: tribes "closing" skok
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2016, 02:54:05 AM »
They have their own hatchery that was just completed at the Kokanee dam. I don't think they are too worried.


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