WDFW where are you?

[AspenBud]

Got this in an e-mail today and it made me think of how little support the WDFW has for bird dog folks, let alone spaces like this, these days.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MIDNR/bulletins/14df6cb

[Happy Gilmore]

They believe growing corn is more important than historical traditions

[constructeur]

Complaining about *censored*e government gets you no where, you have to adapt and overcome. Pay the fee for available properties, or have steering wheel time to better managed areas.

I'm not saying I condone certain DFW employees actions, but complaining about it does nothing but raise your blood pressure.

[Bullkllr]

WDFW staff  could be too busy fielding all the calls they get to "explain" "confusing" regulations.

  Hey...someone was gonna say it...

[wildweeds]

Anderson Ranch  @ Sunnyside , generous private landowner when there are folks like this you bypass the government Bovine scatology

[jetjockey]

Unfortunately, WA will never have the grounds of other states.  WA simply doesn't have the historic field trial culture found in other states.  Plus, there's very little emphasis on true wild bird trials in WA state.  Why, I'm not sure.

[Happy Gilmore]

Complaining about *censored*e government gets you no where, you have to adapt and overcome. Pay the fee for available properties, or have steering wheel time to better managed areas.

I'm not saying I condone certain DFW employees actions, but complaining about it does nothing but raise your blood pressure.

If you think i have only complained about it find a few more of my posts and do some searching 

[Happy Gilmore]

Unfortunately, WA will never have the grounds of other states.  WA simply doesn't have the historic field trial culture found in other states.  Plus, there's very little emphasis on true wild bird trials in WA state.  Why, I'm not sure.

Good public ground you are right. How many years have you lived in Washington close to open bird country? I work for some farmers ad have access to around 20,000 acres between a couple guys I know well. I've met Andersons once and been told to check in if i ever wanted to bird hunt their 10k acres.

How long have you lived in Washington and what have you done to contribute to our hunting here? Any volunteer work or advocacy? Just seems you are an advocate of the ultra exclusive pointer grounds / plantation where there is zero public access???

[Happy Gilmore]

Unfortunately, WA will never have the grounds of other states.  WA simply doesn't have the historic field trial culture found in other states.  Plus, there's very little emphasis on true wild bird trials in WA state.  Why, I'm not sure.

Washington also held the first retriever field trial west of the Mississippi back in the day. So, if you stick to quail hunting and woodcock history you are partially right.

[Happy Gilmore]

And Washington owners and trainers are in the total top championship wins and total high point dogs of all time. Eddie Bauer? Ever heard of him? He was an early chap. Richard Shoemaker also ran pointers here for many of the Hollywood movie stars in the 50's. Also, in case you missed some other world famous hunting figures you should research Jonas Brothers and their taxidermy and safari works....also notable figures on a more world wide basis even with poining dogs abs trainers. See For Those Who Love to Hunt for a reference if you like reading history of hunting and beginnings of the world wide safari outfitters

[jetjockey]

Happy.  Spout off at the mouth all you want, what I said is 100% true.  Believe it or not, I lived in Ellensburg too and also met many of the farmers there.  What you don't seem to understand is that in most of the states throughout the Midwest and Southeast, there are plenty of PUBLIC trial grounds supported by the states.  We simply don't have that in WA, nore in Oregon or many of the other Western states.  Why?  Because there's not enough people who will push for it and fight for it.  The field trial culture that exists in other state simply doesn't exist in WA.  The culture that does exist places almost ZERO importance on wild bird trials.  That is a fact!  Until you meet a hard core pointer guy from the South, or a cover dog guy from the upper Midwest, you will never understand......What you don't seem to understand is there are many places in the South and Miswest that are state lands and the run some amazing wild bird trials on those lands.  DiLane Plantation in GA is not ultra exclusive.  It's public land that anyone can hunt and is managed specifically for wild quail, hunting, and trials.    Unless the state of WA can get voters to fork over tens of millions of dollars of their tax money so the state an buy 6000-8000 acres in WA's prime quail and pheasant country, and then fork over the 100,000's of thousands of dollars every year to maintain it, WA will never have that.  Sorry you don't like the truth, but that is the truth.  It will never happen in WA state.

[birddogdad]

Happy.  Spout off at the mouth all you want, what I said is 100% true.  Believe it or not, I lived in Ellensburg too and also met many of the farmers there.  What you don't seem to understand is that in most of the states throughout the Midwest and Southeast, there are plenty of PUBLIC trial grounds supported by the states.  We simply don't have that in WA, nore in Oregon or many of the other Western states.  Why?  Because there's not enough people who will push for it and fight for it.  The field trial culture that exists in other state simply doesn't exist in WA.  The culture that does exist places almost ZERO importance on wild bird trials.  That is a fact!  Until you meet a hard core pointer guy from the South, or a cover dog guy from the upper Midwest, you will never understand......What you don't seem to understand is there are many places in the South and Miswest that are state lands and the run some amazing wild bird trials on those lands.  DiLane Plantation in GA is not ultra exclusive.  It's public land that anyone can hunt and is managed specifically for wild quail, hunting, and trials.    Unless the state of WA can get voters to fork over tens of millions of dollars of their tax money so the state an buy 6000-8000 acres in WA's prime quail and pheasant country, and then fork over the 100,000's of thousands of dollars every year to maintain it, WA will never have that.  Sorry you don't like the truth, but that is the truth.  It will never happen in WA state.

Never gonna happen, too busy here worrying about bicycle lanes....

[jetjockey]

I'm sure that has some to do with it, but we just don't have the bird dog upland hunting culture in the PNW.  In the South, they have entire communities based around the outdoors and hunting and shooting sports.  If anyone has ever looked at Shooting Sportsman or Covey Rise Magazine, you've seen advertisements for Brays Island.  That place was built for quail hunting, shooting, fishing and golf.  We don't have anything like that in the PNW because there isn't enough demand to support it.  Yet theres a bunch of places like that in the South.  In the upper Midwest, the cover dog guys are absolutely nuts about their bird dogs.  Those guys are seriously hard core and you will never see a throw down bird in a cover dog trial up there.  Unless some people with HUGE money in the PNW decide to purchase a bunch of land, gift it to the state for trials, and then set up a trust to run the land, we will never see championship trial grounds in the PNW with wild birds.  Those kinds of places exist in the South because people grew up with bird dogs and trialing, and it's ingrained into the culture.

[Colville]

Why the emphasis on "public"?  Frankly, private groups will always outperform the bureaucracy and regulation of anything the state provides.  Why would this land have to be given to the state if purchased privately just to run trials?  Buy the land, hold it in the name of a bird dog hunting charity and do it.  I do not see how this is a function of government any more than building golf courses or marinas.

[jetjockey]

Why the emphasis on "public"?  Frankly, private groups will always outperform the bureaucracy and regulation of anything the state provides.  Why would this land have to be given to the state if purchased privately just to run trials?  Buy the land, hold it in the name of a bird dog hunting charity and do it.  I do not see how this is a function of government any more than building golf courses or marinas.

Wanna bet?  The state of Georgia does a PHENOMINAL job with DiLane, and many of the other WMA's.   Besides, public land can be used by anyone.  Those high dollar plantations that Happy is talking about are very picky who they let on their grounds.  When land is public, anyone can access it within the regulations of the land.