how to fix WA. OIL draw system

[chester]

Wouldn't the simple answer be to offer more tags?


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[coachcw]

less hunters equal better odds , figure that out and you have fixed it . I would like to see a certain number of tags be allocated to those with max points and scale it down so forth . the problem lies with hunts that only have one or two tags. making people pre buy the tags would lesson the pool . another way would be to pull your name out of the hat once you draw any tag in a year that way guys wouldn't have multiple tags draw the oils last so theres risk .

[Jpmiller]

Had there ever been a case of someone drawing multi oil tags in the same year?

[NRA4LIFE]

Yes, several members on here recently.

[kentrek]

. another way would be to pull your name out of the hat once you draw any tag in a year

  seems like an easy thing to do.....I'd think/hope most people would like to only draw one tag a given year...maybe aside from antlerless

[Jpmiller]

I suppose if you started on the oil tags , then quality buck/bull, and so on down the line and took out anyone's name who did draw from drawing anymore tags you would kind of self police yourself as to what you put in for points and what you put in to draw.

I know this year the only tag I was expecting was my antlerless elk and so I may have selected points instead for most everything else. Although with the unlikeliness of ever drawing a oil tag I can't really see ever just putting in points for those.

[NRA4LIFE]

I'd like to know how many elk tags get wasted on people drawing 2 in the same year.  That is a bit irritating when people post that.  I almost never put in for both the bull and cow tag in the same year for fear of drawing both, essentially throwing all my points away in one category.  I do put in for quality tags every year because those are essentially OIL.   It would be nice if those tags could be given back, get your points back and then have some kind of supplemental drawing for them.  But that would be too complicated for the WDFW I guess.

[trophyhunt]

I'd like to know how many elk tags get wasted on people drawing 2 in the same year.  That is a bit irritating when people post that.  I almost never put in for both the bull and cow tag in the same year for fear of drawing both, essentially throwing all my points away in one category.  I do put in for quality tags every year because those are essentially OIL.   It would be nice if those tags could be given back, get your points back and then have some kind of supplemental drawing for them.  But that would be too complicated for the WDFW I guess.

Ive been wanting a second draw for those permits that don't get used, Wdfw would make more money on a second round of draws.  Either that or kick the applicant out of the draw after they draw their first quality tag, no more multiple tags allowed.

[BULLBLASTER]

I say let them draw multiples.  each year this takes some high point holders out. If they aren't smart or care enough to plan a bit then so be it.

[whacker1]

http://www.themeateater.com/2016/fools-gold-points-systems-offer-false-hope-poorer-odds/

An article written by Western Hunter's Ryan Hatfield.

He brings up some interesting points.

[msg]

Ghost points for OIL. Why would you want to eliminate yourself for what might be your lucky year? Like buying a Ghost point for Power Ball

[Magnum_Willys]

Ghost points for OIL. Why would you want to eliminate yourself for what might be your lucky year? Like buying a Ghost point for Power Ball

Hate to waste an OIL in a year you cant really get the time to do it justice.  Sons ghosting his til outa college.   One thing worse then no tag is winning one and not using it fully. 

[popeshawnpaul]

less hunters equal better odds , figure that out and you have fixed it . I would like to see a certain number of tags be allocated to those with max points and scale it down so forth . the problem lies with hunts that only have one or two tags. making people pre buy the tags would lesson the pool . another way would be to pull your name out of the hat once you draw any tag in a year that way guys wouldn't have multiple tags draw the oils last so theres risk .

The max point allocation idea has been looked at over and over and statistically it can't be feasibly done in WA.  The attorney general says it's illegal in WA to pre-buy the tags so that is out.  I think so few people draw multiple tags that's an ok idea but it won't significantly help odds.

As many have said, you can increase tags.  You can decrease applicants by various methods.  Or you can make people choose more selectively what they want to apply for.  It's really that simple.

[msg]

With the chances of drawing so low. For me personally, I would still put in every year and let the chips fall where they may. If I drew I would make the adjustments needed. If I was in school, I would take the time off and go hunting. You don't know what cards you will be dealt after school. New job, lousy boss, new wife and baby maybe, financial pressures. Moose hunting last fall left me with memories for a lifetime. You can go to school forever but you get one chance at an OIL. The chances of never drawing are very apparent with the apps versus tags. That is the reason I would want every chance I could get. I am opposed to stacking the deck even more for the max point guys just because they have not been lucky enough to draw.

[trophyhunt]

With the chances of drawing so low. For me personally, I would still put in every year and let the chips fall where they may. If I drew I would make the adjustments needed. If I was in school, I would take the time off and go hunting. You don't know what cards you will be dealt after school. New job, lousy boss, new wife and baby maybe, financial pressures. Moose hunting last fall left me with memories for a lifetime. You can go to school forever but you get one chance at an OIL. The chances of never drawing are very apparent with the apps versus tags. That is the reason I would want every chance I could get. I am opposed to stacking the deck even more for the max point guys just because they have not been lucky enough to draw.

If you had to decide between elk/deer permits or oil permits, which would you choose to apply for?  I'm just curious.