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New bear dog
« on: June 19, 2016, 04:05:40 AM »
Well after 4 years of having a big hole in my soul, I was able to fix it.  :)  With my impending move back to the NW I got the first of my new bear crew yesterday.  I would like to introduce you to my 8 week old American Leopard Cur.  Her name is Machias River Lahar.













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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 05:32:27 AM »
What a gem. Congratulations on the new addition Machias.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 05:54:11 AM »
 :tup:

Thanks, her parents are top bear dogs here in VA.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 07:43:09 AM »
Beautiful little girl sir!
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 08:33:34 AM »
Nice looking pup Fred, I've never owned a cur, are you going to have all curs or a mix with some hounds?
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 09:35:27 AM »
All curs, all aboard the short bus!!!  :)  :)
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 03:33:49 PM »
i have a cur and a half breed, valuable parts of the pack. we should get together sometime when you get back up here.

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2016, 04:03:38 PM »
i have a cur and a half breed, valuable parts of the pack. we should get together sometime when you get back up here.

 :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2016, 04:51:55 PM »
Great looking pup! 
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2016, 06:40:30 PM »
Great looking pup. I love me some plott and cur dogs :IBCOOL:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2016, 07:14:43 PM »
cant wait to see her work,congrats on a fine looking hound

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2016, 08:10:48 PM »
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2016, 08:14:06 PM »
Good looking pup!
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2016, 08:49:07 PM »
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2016, 05:27:21 AM »
 :tup: good looking pup !

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2016, 05:36:07 AM »
Nice looking dog. Good thing he has a para cord collar incase he gets stuck in an emergency!!

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2016, 05:37:02 AM »
She is beautiful, congrats
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2016, 05:37:22 AM »
Nice looking dog. Good thing he has a para cord collar incase he gets stuck in an emergency!!

 :tup:  Always be prepared.  :)  Wife likes to make them, even made me a paracord leash!!
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2016, 05:37:57 AM »
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2016, 05:38:25 AM »
cant wait to see her work,congrats on a fine looking hound

NOT a hound, she's a cur!   :tung: :tung: :chuckle:
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2016, 09:27:23 AM »
i have a cur and a half breed, valuable parts of the pack. we should get together sometime when you get back up here.

 :tup: :tup: :tup:

Having never owned a cur, I'm really curious, what are some advantages of curs over hounds? I can start a different topic if you prefer Fred?
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2016, 09:58:25 AM »
No not at all Dale. 
So this is from my perspective, trust me some guys, yourself included may not agree with me.  :)  I ran blueticks, redbones and plotts for a few years.  Then I went down to Northern Cali for a bear hunt with an older gent.  What I saw that weekend kind of changed my mind on dogs and over the years it has been cemented, for me.  I love the sound of a hound on the trail and at the tree.  I love those big floppy ears, those faces and them big noses.  But for me that is where it ends.  Now what I'm about to say does not include all hounds or houndsmen, just a pretty big chunk of them.  And I know that hounds can be taught to handle and to not be knuckleheads, but IMO it takes more training and does not come to them as naturally because they are bred the way they are.  When they are on the track they are single minded, driven to push that animal up that tree.  They do what they were bred to do!  American Leopard curs are not like any of the other cur breeds.  They are open on track, strong tree dogs, smart, very fast and gritty, but they can handle and behave almost as good as a lab.  They have a strong desire to please and hunt for you.  They have just as cold a nose as my blueticks had.  They will stay treed until you get there.  The tend to need the vet a little less because they can put pressure on a bear or cat and do it without getting themselves tore up (most of the time).  They handle like a dream for me, quiet in the kennel, quiet in the dog box.  They tend to not hunt or range as far, which is good in today's cut up landscape, you can hunt smaller blocks of land and generally they like to check back in with you every 15 minutes or so when you free cast for coons.  There was a split back in 2008, the American Leopard Cur Breeders Association (ALCBA) held a vote, to allow Leopard Curs to be recognized by UKC as the American Leopard Hound.  I voted no for a whole host of reasons, sadly most of the reasons I voted against have now come to pass.  I was on the losing side.  The old style Leopard Cur is slowly dying.  The American Leopard Hound is gaining in popularity, but that discussion is better for another thread.  So what did I see that day in Northern Cali that changed my dogs forever?  First thing was the dogs were being rigged and fired right up.  Mr. Oller dropped a couple of dogs and they hit the trail and full on opened up and started screaming off down through the woods.   That's normal right, but what happened next surprised me.  Mr. Oller found a cub track next to mama bear's track.  Hollered at the dogs and they came back and hopped up on the box   :o  Next we ended up treeing a 450+ pound bear.  Mr. Oller got to the tree and we took some photos and then he said ok, lets go guys, and they all left the tree and headed back to the truck with him, not one of the 8 dogs was on a leash.  They were quiet at his house which was in town, well behaved and very loving dogs.  I was sold.  Now I will say if you like hunting hounds and how hounds hunt you probably won't like a Leopard Cur.  They do not start as fast as most hound pups.  I don't even start hunting mine until they are 10 months to a year old.  They cannot handle harsh treatment.  They cannot be kenneled or put on a chain and not messed with.  They will get very shy in a heartbeat if handled like most hounds.  Generally a mean look and a gruff voice is plenty to correct them and they tend to be way less trashy then my hounds were.  Some guys mix them in with their hounds but they have distinctly different hunting styles and usually guys that mix them in end up not being as happy with them.  For sure some do.  One guy who has some outstanding lion and bobcat dogs is a fella named Nick Riley in Montana, he has some really nice Leopard Hounds.  I think he has turned out some really nice dogs that catch a lot of cats each winter.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2016, 10:52:39 AM »
When you get your pack together can I come along on a cat or bear hunt? Always wanted to tag along and experience it!

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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2016, 10:55:16 AM »
Nice looking pup Fred.
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Re: New bear dog
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2016, 10:55:54 AM »
When you get your pack together can I come along on a cat or bear hunt? Always wanted to tag along and experience it!

Sure, you just wouldn't be allowed to hunt over them as I will be hunting Idaho and I cannot guide anyone over there.  They have very strict rules, I couldn't even take a soda off of you or gas money.  But you are more than welcome to come and take photos.
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