how to fix WA. OIL draw system

[msg]

I truly hope to not have to pick. Even with the odds they way they are, there is still that hope. However, if it eventually comes down to that. I believe someone put the chance at a sheep tag at .003 percent. I would have to give that up, as I have done pretty well on Quality Bull tags.

[Ridgeratt]

Could someone explain to me what a WA. OIL tag is. I thought I had an idea but this seems a bit confusing on a definition here.

[Bob33]

Could someone explain to me what a WA. OIL tag is. I thought I had an idea but this seems a bit confusing on a definition here.

Any Moose (if successful), Mountain Goat (if successful), and Ram Sheep (if successful) permits may only be drawn Once In a Lifetime.

[Ridgeratt]

Could someone explain to me what a WA. OIL tag is. I thought I had an idea but this seems a bit confusing on a definition here.

Any Moose (if successful), Mountain Goat (if successful), and Ram Sheep (if successful) permits may only be drawn Once In a Lifetime.

That was my understanding. So how does Quality Bull Elk, Deer/ Elk Permits play into the equation. Thought I had missed some rule changes.

[Bob33]

Could someone explain to me what a WA. OIL tag is. I thought I had an idea but this seems a bit confusing on a definition here.

Any Moose (if successful), Mountain Goat (if successful), and Ram Sheep (if successful) permits may only be drawn Once In a Lifetime.

That was my understanding. So how does Quality Bull Elk, Deer/ Elk Permits play into the equation. Thought I had missed some rule changes.

They're technically not OIL permits, but they've crept into the discussion about OIL permits. However, the best ones are so difficult to draw that odds of getting more than one in a lifetime are very small.

[trophyhunt]

Could someone explain to me what a WA. OIL tag is. I thought I had an idea but this seems a bit confusing on a definition here.

Any Moose (if successful), Mountain Goat (if successful), and Ram Sheep (if successful) permits may only be drawn Once In a Lifetime.

That was my understanding. So how does Quality Bull Elk, Deer/ Elk Permits play into the equation. Thought I had missed some rule changes.

They only play into this equation as an example of how to improve draw odds for oil tags.  Some of us believe if a change was made to have you choose between applying for quality deer/elk OR oil draws, not both.  With you still being able to get your ghost points. 

[Ridgeratt]

I still play the WDFW Sheep Oil Lottery, knowing full well I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning.

[Bob33]

There are quite a few hunters with points in the 15+ range for the OIL species, as well as quality deer and elk. Many are in their 40s, 50s, 60s, and older. Their odds of drawing even one OIL permit in their lifetimes are small. In several instances, their odds of drawing even one when they will have the physical condition to hunt are even smaller.

If they are forced to choose which permits they may apply for, it is likely they will never draw a permit for the specie(s) they choose not to apply for. In essence they will be throwing away 15+ years of applying for some species, for the sake of improved but still very small odds of drawing another.

I am strongly opposed to that idea.

[Ridgeratt]

Guilty as charged!!!  60 and older.

Bob

[Bob33]

For the record I may have supported this in 1996 when the current system was put in place, but to do so now is not appropriate.

The only way I could see this being viable is to apply it to new applicants only. If you have points, you are grandfathered and can continue to apply for all species.

[Jpmiller]

There are ways to get out and volunteer improving habitat or reducing predators for the OIL species. Seems to me no matter what system anyone comes up with the most realistic option to improve odds is to increase herd strength and get more tags.

[JDHasty]

It's as fair as it can be. There are just too many people and not enough permits. The only better system would be no points, like Idaho.

If you gave the high point holders even more preference, new hunters would have no reason to apply at all, their odds would be so low.