Anyone else see the trail cam theives caught?

[jtrammell]

So I am actually glad I found this post.

First let me reiterate, I WAS NOT BAITING BEARS. This happened in July and the last time I had a bear on camera I believe May. The three wardens(Summit, Prater, and Flowers) went out to the site and all agreed I was not baiting bears. They did question some stuff and I told them the 100% truth. They did ask if I knew the new reg about 10 gallons and I was 100% honest with them and told them it was more than 10 gallons but I was under the impression that if I wasn't hunting it, there could be more than 10. They explained the reg says if I have the INTENT to hunt there, it can't be over 10 gallons. I said roger and we moved on. As far as the trash goes, I found that to be a sad sad attempt of them trying to "frame" me. Then they posted a video of them being the "heroes" and picking it up. Now, I saw someone mention something about me having to explain to the owners of Manke. Funny you say that, he was the third person I personally called. I have a very good relationship with the owner and property manager. I let him know if I see ANYTHING out of place or strange.

Now, as far as getting the ID from him. He was SCARED. You could tell by the sound of his voice he was scared. I knew he had a gun and he was STILL SCARED. Guns don't scare me at all and I knew once his voice was cracking, he was mine. Doesn't help him that I'm 5'10 240 and the buddy I was with is 6'8 280.

Now, if you have ANY questions, please fell free to ask. I will answer them 100% truthfully, because I'm not the one being charged with anything and I have nothing to hide or lie about.

[buckmaster303]

good for you I am glad they are being charged they have been let go to many times for poaching exc. there is no excuses to let them keep doing it glad you were honest I know those two from high school and they have never stopped shot 10 deer in one year and all they got was a fine after they went through court im still livid about that 

[Skyvalhunter]

Well its good to hear that these crooks were caught and will be prosecuted. Sounds like they have always gotten away with this. There's guys that you hear putting in the wives, kids, other relatives for permits then shooting their animal. Or shooting a bear and then their wives, dads, sisters, etc. bear. A few of them reside on here, it's my hope they too will be caught. It's one thing if the family or relatives actually do the hunting.

[Rainier10]

Thanks for updating here with so many details.  The one about the bait is super helpful. I was unsure about the 10 gallon rule when you weren't hunting, a bale of orchard grass is over the 10 gallon limit.  I figured if I wasn't hunting in January it would be okay to toss out a full bail.  Sounds like it is if I don't hunt that area.  I think just to be safe I will break the bale up and spread it out in a couple of locations 200 yards apart.

Sorry for the sidetrack but thanks again for the additional details.

[jtrammell]

No problem. I HATE the "he said, she said" game and I hate when people assume things. That's why I I'm glad I found this thread, so everyone could get the 100% truth.

As far as the bait goes, they said it's all about intent. For example- If I dump 50 gallons of apples in front of a camera, and all I was doing was seeing whats in the area, I am good. If I dump 50 gallons in front of a camera and I intend to put a tress stand up in that area, I am not good. They said the key word is INTEND.

Now,he did ask me multiple times if I intended to hunt there, because it was over 10 gallons. He asked A LOT, and sometimes slow. I knew what he was trying to do. He wanted me to say "No" so it was a nonissue. Finally I said "I know you want me to say no. But I will continue to say yes. I'm not going to lie."

Thanks for updating here with so many details.  The one about the bait is super helpful. I was unsure about the 10 gallon rule when you weren't hunting, a bale of orchard grass is over the 10 gallon limit.  I figured if I wasn't hunting in January it would be okay to toss out a full bail.  Sounds like it is if I don't hunt that area.  I think just to be safe I will break the bale up and spread it out in a couple of locations 200 yards apart.

Sorry for the sidetrack but thanks again for the additional details.

[jtrammell]

*UPDATE*


Nathan was suppose to have his pre-trial conference last week but was unable to make it. The prosecutor called me and said that it has been rescheduled for 23 February and he plans on changing his plea from "Not guilty" to "guilty".

[trophyhunt]

*UPDATE*


Nathan was suppose to have his pre-trial conference last week but was unable to make it. The prosecutor called me and said that it has been rescheduled for 23 February and he plans on changing his plea from "Not guilty" to "guilty".

good to hear!

[Dan-o]

I appreciate your integrity and the fact that you're willing to come back and correct inaccuracies.

I hope those guys catch the max penalty......   and I totally applaud how you are handling it.

[jtrammell]

The pre-trial conference for Nathan Allison is SUPPOSE to be on Thursday. Unfortunately I will not be able to make it but I have been told that he will be changing his plea from "NOT GUILTY" to "GUILTY" I will be calling the prosecutor's office on Friday and I will get an update on what happened and what his punishment, if given one, was.

[3nails]

 I will be more than a little despondent if the punishment is not harsh in such a cut and dried case.

[jtrammell]

I will be more than a little despondent if the punishment is not harsh in such a cut and dried case.

I'm sure it wont be harsh. The first guy got 10 days of electronic home monitoring, had to pay for the ankle bracelet and additional fines. But like I have told everyone, SOMETHING is better than nothing. Many people have had cameras stolen, nobody was lucky as I was to catch the person doing it.

[jtrammell]

I just got off the phone with the prosecutor's office. Nathan Allison changed his plea from "NOT GUILTY" to "GUILTY". I was told that these were his punishments: 20 days of at home electronic monitoring. He cannot leave his house for 20 days and has to pay for the electronic device tracking him. He is placed on probation until 2021. He must get an Interlock Ignition Device(a breathalyzer for your car) installed, he must pay fines, and restitution to be determined at a later date.   

[h20hunter]

 

[Buckmark]

 
But question, why the breathalyzer for his vehicle? (sure i missed something)

[jtrammell]

But question, why the breathalyzer for his vehicle? (sure i missed something)

I was confused by that as well. I was told it might have been for a prior conviction. He's a repeat offender.