someone should sue groups that introduce wolves

[Bill W]

I was sitting here this morning and had a brain fart thought.  Why doesn't any rancher that has animals killed or injured by wolves sue the groups that introduced the wolves.

Before you say "this is a dumb thought", consider the parallel between damages by wolves and the people who sue gun manufacturers for damages.

I'd bet if the wolf groups had some of their funding eaten up in lawsuits and bad press they might have second thoughts on supporting future actions.

[Katmai Guy]

Why don't all the hunters in the state file a class action suit because we've paid thru taxes and donations to increase the population of game animals to hunt and they are basically being used for dog food and our seasons will be shortened or permits for OILs will be reduced due to lack of game population.  Just a thought.

[Special T]

I think there are multipal hurdles that are difficult to overcome. How do you sue the feds who have much deeper pockets than you do? How do your prove the damages? How do you connect the damages to wolves that were brought into ID & YNP? 

[NoBark]

The Anti's seem to be able to overcome the funding issue and sue the Feds every other day!  They just happen to have a bunch of under employed gold seeking lawyers who are willing to take their case for free because they think it'll help their reputation.  JMHO

[JDHasty]

The Anti's seem to be able to overcome the funding issue and sue the Feds every other day!  They just happen to have a bunch of under employed gold seeking lawyers who are willing to take their case for free because they think it'll help their reputation.  JMHO

It is far more nefarious than that.  Get yourself a copy of The Real Wolf, I think it has a pretty good synopsis in it of how the federal agencies funnel funds to the various communist front organizations that pose as environmentalist, animal welfare, etc.   

[Special T]

These environment groups are in collusion  with the feds. They make millions using sue and settle techniques by representing  ESA listed species.  Thier game is more like an old school mafia shake down. It's not possible to use that same tactic against the gov.

[Bill W]

I read in the Spokane paper today that re-stocking grizzlies is being considered for the Sierras.   Now if a hiker/hunter/whoever was injured by a re-introduced bear wouldn't he/she be able to sue because the "fill in the blank" increased their potential of injury. 

The ranchers have lost income because of someone else's actions.  Seems to me that's something that worth pursuing.  The ranchers should be able to find a pro-ranching lawyer that would take their case on contingency. 

[JDHasty]

These environment groups are in collusion  with the feds. They make millions using sue and settle techniques by representing  ESA listed species.  Thier game is more like an old school mafia shake down. It's not possible to use that same tactic against the gov.

 

[jackelope]

Not sure if you're talking about Washington, but I might as well say it. The wolves were not actually "introduced" here. If you think they were and want to start some sort of class action suit, you'd have to prove that they were introduced I suppose. Evidence of that has been asked for about 6,000 times on this very forum, and no evidence has ever been shown.

Just throwing that out there. I feel bad for the ranchers affected by them, and I feel bad for all the hunters affected by them as well.
 

[Bill W]

Not sure if you're talking about Washington, but I might as well say it. The wolves were not actually "introduced" here. If you think they were and want to start some sort of class action suit, you'd have to prove that they were introduced I suppose. Evidence of that has been asked for about 6,000 times on this very forum, and no evidence has ever been shown.

Just throwing that out there. I feel bad for the ranchers affected by them, and I feel bad for all the hunters affected by them as well.

Well, to twist that a little bit here's a thought.  We have feral pigs WDFW is removing.   Could the wolves be classed as "feral" also? 

[Special T]

There is proof they were introduced as an experimental  population to ID and YNP but I'm not sure how your gona finance such an endeavor.
My family busniess was involved in a lawsuit with a multimillion dollar corporation in the late 70s for a period of 10 years the family business spend over $30k a year every year. It nearly destroyed  it. The overall  goal for them was to bankrupt us. Fortunately  we eventually won only .staying the course because grandpa was so damn stubborn.

[Special T]

Not sure if you're talking about Washington, but I might as well say it. The wolves were not actually "introduced" here. If you think they were and want to start some sort of class action suit, you'd have to prove that they were introduced I suppose. Evidence of that has been asked for about 6,000 times on this very forum, and no evidence has ever been shown.

Just throwing that out there. I feel bad for the ranchers affected by them, and I feel bad for all the hunters affected by them as well.

Well, to twist that a little bit here's a thought.  We have feral pigs WDFW is removing.   Could the wolves be classed as "feral" also?

There is no magic bullet because the invasive species card has been attempted and went no where. Why? Because the feds and state want them here... sick isn't it.

[jackelope]

Not sure if you're talking about Washington, but I might as well say it. The wolves were not actually "introduced" here. If you think they were and want to start some sort of class action suit, you'd have to prove that they were introduced I suppose. Evidence of that has been asked for about 6,000 times on this very forum, and no evidence has ever been shown.

Just throwing that out there. I feel bad for the ranchers affected by them, and I feel bad for all the hunters affected by them as well.

Well, to twist that a little bit here's a thought.  We have feral pigs WDFW is removing.   Could the wolves be classed as "feral" also? 

Feral pigs are not listed and federally protected as endangered species.

[elkboy]

What would you do (legally) about the naturally recolonizing wolves moving south from BC? 

[Cougartail]

What would you do (legally) about the naturally recolonizing wolves moving south from BC?

Vote Trump! See what happens when you don't have strong borders and walls. lol

[elkboy]

What would you do (legally) about the naturally recolonizing wolves moving south from BC?

Vote Trump! See what happens when you don't have strong borders and walls. lol

   We have a winner!

[bearpaw]

Just to clarify!
It's true that wolves have walked across the border from Idaho, Oregon, and B.C. and are breeding in WA now, so technically I suppose those wolves weren't planted in WA, but a good part of the wolf population in WA is due to wolves being planted in Idaho (with illegally diverted sportsmen dollars), multiplying, and then walking into WA! So in reality a lot of the wolves we have in WA are due to wolves being illegally planted by USFWS! 

There are people who claim they have seen wolves being released in WA! I have no reason not to believe them and honestly I am initially more inclined to believe someone who says they saw wolves being released than the WDFW who for years told everyone that the wolf sightings were coyotes. I had one of those phone calls myself, I did the right thing and reported wolves that were trying to attack a neighbors german shepherds in a fenced kennel, the Region 1 manager called me and said it was just a pack of 6 coyotes trying to attack the german shepherds!  Yaaaa Riiigggghhhhttt!

Many people don't even report cougar depredation or wolf sightings now, they just try and take care of it themselves, I can't say that I blame them. Sorry, but I am a little bitter about wolves and predator management in general in WA, all the lies from agencies about how wolves will not impact our herds and how they won't impact ranching or our lifestyles.

Through the rumor mill I've heard of more wolves being sent to the happy wolf slaughtering ground. I don't want to know who, I don't want to be involved. But if you step back and look at the big picture, really consider all sides of this whole wolf fiasco, it's sad to say, but it seems those wolf poachers are doing more to protect WA moose herds, endangered caribou, elk, deer, and ranching in WA more than anyone else. Sad, sad situation, but I really don't see any other type of relief in sight for this state! Then to think of the millions of tax payer dollars that have been spent on wolves and will continue to be spent on wolves, it's just sickening! 

I'm pretty sure it is a waste of time to try legal action, I wished it was an option, but I doubt it.

Rant Over...