What do you do when somebody points a gun at you?

[pianoman9701]

RT, your blood pressure. Check it!

He is right though.

It makes me crazy and he is right. But, you can't aim back or shoot back. Taking cover, yelling, and getting information on the culprits are all important, in that order.

Why would you not prepare to defend yourself?  Serious question here.  Just wondering, like I said I got ready and prepared for the worst but never actually aimed.

Prepare to defend yourself? I think the odds of a hunter intentionally attempting to shoot another hunter are very small. I'd prefer to put all my efforts initially into removing myself from the threat.

I don't know . Not to long ago we had a hunter shoot a hiker intentionally thinking she was a bear.
Scoping is covered in every hunter ed class. No reason for it.

If he thought it was a bear, it was unintentional, as opposed to intentional and homicidal.

[seth30]

RT, your blood pressure. Check it!

He is right though.

It makes me crazy and he is right. But, you can't aim back or shoot back. Taking cover, yelling, and getting information on the culprits are all important, in that order.

Why would you not prepare to defend yourself?  Serious question here.  Just wondering, like I said I got ready and prepared for the worst but never actually aimed.

Prepare to defend yourself? I think the odds of a hunter intentionally attempting to shoot another hunter are very small. I'd prefer to put all my efforts initially into removing myself from the threat.

I don't know . Not to long ago we had a hunter shoot a hiker intentionally thinking she was a bear.
Scoping is covered in every hunter ed class. No reason for it.

That was in Skagit right?  There was another incident over on the coast where someone shot a brush picker.

[jay.sharkbait]

I wouldn't say anything.

Maybe wave and see if they wave back.

Continue on hunt.

Not post on HUNTWA

but that's just me......................

can I ask why?  I think this is a good conversation to have.  Accidents happen because people don't think even though  they know better.  Honestly the coversation needs to happen because it is NEVER ok to pint a gun at somebody with the exception of defending yourself.  So sorry I am going to say something.  This is unacceptable behavior and we should not stay quiet about.

I'm used to having rifles pointed at me and I don't think being scoped is that big of deal.

I certainly wouldn't flip out over it.

Not a big deal? I would like to hear an expansion of that opinion. I can't imagine a scenario where it is not a big deal.

Nope, not a big deal and I am not willing to go over the reasons why I (emphasis on I) feel that way.

Besides, I've seen how most hunters shoot and I doubt most could hit a man size target at 100yd offhand.

I am not normal man sized.  I dhot a bear at 150 off hand on monday night.  You have a lot of confidence.  I know a lot of veterans that would have freaked out worse than I did.  It is scary that it wouldn't bother you.

Nice shooting!

Confident? I don't know, I think most hunters have good intentions and using a scope as a spotter is a common but ill advised practice. It just wouldn't cause me to lose it.

Ages ago I did some support work for some of the local cool guys. I was horrified to see them walking downrange(hot range) to change targets and later in the day I got to participate in that little exercise in trust. Listening to 556 hit a target 4 or 5 lanes over and trying to act like you've done it a million times before is something you'll never forget.

[R2Rcoulee]

Years ago an off duty GC Sheriff was shot will coyotee hunting. I believe the sheriff said the guy was scoping him, he tried to hide but ended up getting shot by an 30 06. The guy was a felon out hunting a special doe hunt with his dad, his dad had the permit. He made up some bs story, but was found guilty & got like 7 yrs. The sheriff is no longer a sheriff because of his injuries. You never know what other people are thinking & planning. Be safe out there.

[JDHasty]

RT, your blood pressure. Check it!

He is right though.

It makes me crazy and he is right. But, you can't aim back or shoot back. Taking cover, yelling, and getting information on the culprits are all important, in that order.

Why would you not prepare to defend yourself?  Serious question here.  Just wondering, like I said I got ready and prepared for the worst but never actually aimed.

Prepare to defend yourself? I think the odds of a hunter intentionally attempting to shoot another hunter are very small. I'd prefer to put all my efforts initially into removing myself from the threat.

I don't know . Not to long ago we had a hunter shoot a hiker intentionally thinking she was a bear.
Scoping is covered in every hunter ed class. No reason for it.

If he thought it was a bear, it was unintentional, as opposed to intentional and homicidal.

It happened on Sauk Mountain.  The woman was dressed in a purple jacket and I do believe IIRC that the killer was using a rifle scope to glass with. 

[WoodlandShooter]

hmmm what would "I" do.

well, that depends....

if greater than 725 yards...meh...no worries.

but, if it happened more than once, I would get my LRF and zap them just to make sure I was in a safe place.

then is I was still being glassed, I would get out my dope card, making sure they saw exactly what I was doing...add some appropriate clicks to my scope...lick my finger to check the wind...

[huntnphool]

We have had this discussion in the past. What is really disturbing is there are members on this site, no doubt some have read this thread, that find nothing wrong with using their scope this way.

[WoodlandShooter]

Binos, and a LRF...usually use the LRF when spotting...

[JimmyHoffa]

RT, your blood pressure. Check it!

He is right though.

It makes me crazy and he is right. But, you can't aim back or shoot back. Taking cover, yelling, and getting information on the culprits are all important, in that order.

Why would you not prepare to defend yourself?  Serious question here.  Just wondering, like I said I got ready and prepared for the worst but never actually aimed.

Prepare to defend yourself? I think the odds of a hunter intentionally attempting to shoot another hunter are very small. I'd prefer to put all my efforts initially into removing myself from the threat.

I don't know . Not to long ago we had a hunter shoot a hiker intentionally thinking she was a bear.
Scoping is covered in every hunter ed class. No reason for it.

If he thought it was a bear, it was unintentional, as opposed to intentional and homicidal.

It happened on Sauk Mountain.  The woman was dressed in a purple jacket and I do believe IIRC that the killer was using a rifle scope to glass with.

Wasn't it foggy and he just shot the moving silhouette or something?  Seem to recall, that kid had some other problems too (legal) and probably shouldn't have had a gun to begin with.  Or am I thinking of someone else?

[JDHasty]

Yes, it was foggy

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/14/nation/na-hiker14

[JimmyHoffa]

RT, your blood pressure. Check it!

He is right though.

It makes me crazy and he is right. But, you can't aim back or shoot back. Taking cover, yelling, and getting information on the culprits are all important, in that order.

Why would you not prepare to defend yourself?  Serious question here.  Just wondering, like I said I got ready and prepared for the worst but never actually aimed.

Prepare to defend yourself? I think the odds of a hunter intentionally attempting to shoot another hunter are very small. I'd prefer to put all my efforts initially into removing myself from the threat.

I don't know . Not to long ago we had a hunter shoot a hiker intentionally thinking she was a bear.
Scoping is covered in every hunter ed class. No reason for it.

That was in Skagit right?  There was another incident over on the coast where someone shot a brush picker.

Over by Shelton.  The supposed story was the brushpicker was wearing dark/black rain suit and was trying to hide by crawling around in the bushes.

[WoodlandShooter]

I wouldn't say anything.

Maybe wave and see if they wave back.

Continue on hunt.

Not post on HUNTWA

but that's just me......................

can I ask why?  I think this is a good conversation to have.  Accidents happen because people don't think even though  they know better.  Honestly the coversation needs to happen because it is NEVER ok to pint a gun at somebody with the exception of defending yourself.  So sorry I am going to say something.  This is unacceptable behavior and we should not stay quiet about.

I'm used to having rifles pointed at me and I don't think being scoped is that big of deal.

I certainly wouldn't flip out over it.

Not a big deal? I would like to hear an expansion of that opinion. I can't imagine a scenario where it is not a big deal.

Nope, not a big deal and I am not willing to go over the reasons why I (emphasis on I) feel that way.

Besides, I've seen how most hunters shoot and I doubt most could hit a man size target at 100yd offhand.

I am not normal man sized.  I dhot a bear at 150 off hand on monday night.  You have a lot of confidence.  I know a lot of veterans that would have freaked out worse than I did.  It is scary that it wouldn't bother you.

Nice shooting!

Confident? I don't know, I think most hunters have good intentions and using a scope as a spotter is a common but ill advised practice. It just wouldn't cause me to lose it.

Ages ago I did some support work for some of the local cool guys. I was horrified to see them walking downrange(hot range) to change targets and later in the day I got to participate in that little exercise in trust. Listening to 556 hit a target 4 or 5 lanes over and trying to act like you've done it a million times before is something you'll never forget.

CRACK.DING.......WHOMP.


 rinse and repeat.

[jay.sharkbait]

Yes, it was foggy

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/14/nation/na-hiker14

So if he had binos would that have prevented the accident?

[Yondering]

If he thought it was a bear, it was unintentional, as opposed to intentional and homicidal.

Why would that even matter to this discussion? Being shot by accident isn't any better than being shot on purpose, and is probably more likely. It's not just people's intentions that matter.

[JDHasty]

Yes, it was foggy

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/14/nation/na-hiker14

So if he had binos would that have prevented the accident?

Who knows

In Hunter Education class we teach that there are things that you NEVER do

One of these things is NEVER shoot unless you have positively identified your target and another is you NEVER use a scoped rifle to glass for game.  If a person is so negligent and irresponsible that they routinely glass for game using a scoped rifle, it is more likely than not that there are other cardinal rules that they are inclined to disregard such as, but not limited to, shooting before they have positively identified their target.