Teanaway opening day for archery hunter orange requirement?

[soccerftw123]

Okay I need a game regs expert, there is a modern fire arm cow elk tag in teanaway from august 1st through September 9th. The game regs state on page 6

"Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, bobcat, cougar, coyote, deer, elk, fox, grouse, hare, rabbit, or raccoon."

So if I deer hunt teanaway opening weekend for deer, do I need to wear hunter orange or risk getting a ticket because these seasons overlap?

[jackelope]

Okay I need a game regs expert, there is a modern fire arm cow elk tag in teanaway from august 1st through September 9th. The game regs state on page 6

"Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, bobcat, cougar, coyote, deer, elk, fox, grouse, hare, rabbit, or raccoon."

So if I deer hunt teanaway opening weekend for deer, do I need to wear hunter orange or risk getting a ticket because these seasons overlap?

I would read that as yes, you need orange.
This thread has some solid potential to grow some legs.

[JimmyHoffa]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/hunter_orange/

Under the following conditions a minimum of 400 square inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing is required. It must be worn above the waist and be visible from all sides. A hat, by itself, does not meet this requirement. 
•Anyone hunting deer or elk during any modern firearm deer or elk general season is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. This includes archers and muzzleloaders while hunting in units (e.g. GMUs, Deer, Areas, Elk Areas, Wilderness Areas, etc.) that overlap modern firearm seasons.
•Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, Bobcat, Cougar, Coyote, Deer, Elk, Fox, Grouse, Hare, Rabbit, or Raccoon.
•During any upland game bird (pheasant, quail, and partridge) season, anyone hunting upland game birds or rabbits with a modern firearm is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. (Grouse are not upland game birds.)

[7mmfan]

Looks pretty cut and dry to me.

[crowcaller]

So if I am hunting the general opening season of Teanaway archery deer, starting September 1st, I must also be reading all of the special permit regulations for modern firearm to be aware that the 30 permits they issued to modern firearm cow elk hunters (which is likely a damage control hunt imo) will require all of the archery deer hunters in Teanaway to cover their camo with hunter orange until September 10th.  Thanks for the heads up.

Are there any other special modern firearm seasons that conflict with there general archery deer and elk seasons in this area?

Has anyone been pinched by this regulation in this area?

[rtspring]

They are talking sbout GENERAL MODERN RIFLE. You do not have to wear orange just because someone in the unit has a rifle special permit.

We ran into this issue for a muzzy tag not long ago in 346 when 3 guys hD rifke tags.  No hubter orange required.   

[vandeman17]

They are talking sbout GENERAL MODERN RIFLE. You do not have to wear orange just because someone in the unit has a rifle special permit.

We ran into this issue for a muzzy tag not long ago in 346 when 3 guys hD rifke tags.  No hubter orange required.

 

[GrampasGuns]

There are no animals in the teanaway anyways!

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[Bob33]

Some portions of Elk Area 3911 are in the Teanaway GMU. 3911 has a general elk season for Master Hunters starting August 1. If you are hunting in 3911 after August 1, orange would be required.

[crowcaller]

Let's pretend for the moment there are animals in the Teanaway and maybe other units as well;  since the Raffle winners can hunt most general and permit areas using any legal weapon , including modern firearm, Sept 1 to Dec 31, does that mean that we all must use hunter orange all the time in case one of the lucky winners may be in our archery area with a rifle? The hunter orange requirement conditions are written poorly otherwise there would not be different opinions about when it is required.

[dye7barrel]

Some portions of Elk Area 3911 are in the Teanaway GMU. 3911 has a general elk season for Master Hunters starting August 1. If you are hunting in 3911 after August 1, orange would be required.

This.

[Bob33]

Let's pretend for the moment there are animals in the Teanaway and maybe other units as well;  since the Raffle winners can hunt most general and permit areas using any legal weapon , including modern firearm, Sept 1 to Dec 31, does that mean that we all must use hunter orange all the time in case one of the lucky winners may be in our archery area with a rifle? The hunter orange requirement conditions are written poorly otherwise there would not be different opinions about when it is required.

"It is unlawful to hunt deer or elk during all modern firearm general seasons in any manner unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

Raffle hunts are not general seasons.

The regulation is clear to me.

[Curly]

Are master hunter hunts, general season hunts?

[Bob33]

Are master hunter hunts, general season hunts?

Those such as 3911 that do not involve a permit drawing are.

If you're not sure you can check the regulations under "Modern Firearm General Seasons."

[coachcw]

I see it as general deer and general elk modern seasons only........master hunters could never make a mistake  right.

[Bob33]

I see it as general deer and general elk modern seasons only........master hunters could never make a mistake  right.

3911 is a general modern firearm elk season for Master Hunters. 

[bobcat]

Personally, in response to the original question of hunting deer in the Teanaway unit during the early archery season, I would not wear orange. Technically, the law may require it, according  to the way the law is written, but I don't believe that was the intent.

Think about most of the state being open for bear hunting, with the majority of those hunters using rifles, yet deer and elk archery hunters aren't required to wear orange because of that.

Why should they be required to wear orange because there might be a couple of master hunters hunting elk?

[Bob33]

Personally, in response to the original question of hunting deer in the Teanaway unit during the early archery season, I would not wear orange. Technically, the law may require it, according  to the way the law is written, but I don't believe that was the intent.

Think about most of the state being open for bear hunting, with the majority of those hunters using rifles, yet deer and elk archery hunters aren't required to wear orange because of that.

Why should they be required to wear orange because there might be a couple of master hunters hunting elk?

Inside 3911, the concentration of hunters can be much higher than in most areas open for bear hunting. Hunters can choose to not wear orange but inside 3911 it would not be legal. I know for a fact that archery hunters have been cited.

[bobcat]

I guess it comes down to common sense. Lots of rifle hunters, wear orange, fine. Or better yet, hunt somewhere else. Just seems silly to me to require an archery hunter to wear orange. They might as well just stay home.

[Bob33]

I guess it comes down to common sense. Lots of rifle hunters, wear orange, fine. Or better yet, hunt somewhere else. Just seems silly to me to require an archery hunter to wear orange. They might as well just stay home.

To me, thats silly. I've had deer walk within five feet of me when I was wearing orange from head to toe.

[CP]

I have one of those modern cow permits.  So on Sept 1 if I switched to archery deer hunting I could also take an antlerless elk if the opportunity came up but I believe I have to wear orange to do so. 

[Bob33]

I have one of those modern cow permits.  So on Sept 1 if I switched to archery deer hunting I could also take an antlerless elk if the opportunity came up but I believe I have to wear orange to do so.

You would need to wear orange for the modern cow permit.

"All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

[jmscon]

It gets pretty confusing. On page 6 it states that if you are hunting certain animals with a modern firearm you have to wear orange. But if you look in the special permit section there are only a handful of hunts that have a "hunt note" requirement of wearing orange (even on modern only hunts).

[Bob33]

It gets pretty confusing. On page 6 it states that if you are hunting certain animals with a modern firearm you have to wear orange. But if you look in the special permit section there are only a handful of hunts that have a "hunt note" requirement of wearing orange (even on modern only hunts).

The WACs are what you need to follow.

"All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

The notes don't indicate you don't have to wear orange on certain modern hunts, just an emphasis for some that you do.

[jmscon]

It gets pretty confusing. On page 6 it states that if you are hunting certain animals with a modern firearm you have to wear orange. But if you look in the special permit section there are only a handful of hunts that have a "hunt note" requirement of wearing orange (even on modern only hunts).

The WACs are what you need to follow.

"All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

The notes don't indicate you don't have to wear orange on certain modern hunts, just an emphasis for some that you do.

I agree, following the WAC is the way to go! It's when you go through the regs and see notes on only a few of the special permits that Hunter orange is required it can give a person the false impression that they wouldn't need to wear it on that particular hunt.

[Bob33]

It gets pretty confusing. On page 6 it states that if you are hunting certain animals with a modern firearm you have to wear orange. But if you look in the special permit section there are only a handful of hunts that have a "hunt note" requirement of wearing orange (even on modern only hunts).

The WACs are what you need to follow.

"All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

The notes don't indicate you don't have to wear orange on certain modern hunts, just an emphasis for some that you do.

I agree, following the WAC is the way to go! It's when you go through the regs and see notes on only a few of the special permits that Hunter orange is required it can give a person the false impression that they wouldn't need to wear it on that particular hunt.

That is a bit odd.

[Igor]

Now this could just be me, however I have witnessed some clueless knuckleheads running around the woods with a rifle in their hands.  There is no way I would be in the same county with them were I not wearing as much orange as I possibly could.

[Nash]

Under the following conditions a minimum of 400 square inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing is required. It must be worn above the waist and be visible from all sides. A hat, by itself, does not meet this requirement. 
•Anyone hunting deer or elk during any modern firearm deer or elk general season is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. This includes archers and muzzleloaders while hunting in units (e.g. GMUs, Deer, Areas, Elk Areas, Wilderness Areas, etc.) that overlap modern firearm seasons.
•Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, Bobcat, Cougar, Coyote, Deer, Elk, Fox, Grouse, Hare, Rabbit, or Raccoon.
•During any upland game bird (pheasant, quail, and partridge) season, anyone hunting upland game birds or rabbits with a modern firearm is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. (Grouse are not upland game birds.)



What the intent is, I don't know. Seems pretty cut and dry to me as well. Would I wear it? Maybe. Would I have it with in case I need to put it in real quick? Yes

[jmscon]

Under the following conditions a minimum of 400 square inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing is required. It must be worn above the waist and be visible from all sides. A hat, by itself, does not meet this requirement. 
•Anyone hunting deer or elk during any modern firearm deer or elk general season is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. This includes archers and muzzleloaders while hunting in units (e.g. GMUs, Deer, Areas, Elk Areas, Wilderness Areas, etc.) that overlap modern firearm seasons.
•Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, Bobcat, Cougar, Coyote, Deer, Elk, Fox, Grouse, Hare, Rabbit, or Raccoon.
•During any upland game bird (pheasant, quail, and partridge) season, anyone hunting upland game birds or rabbits with a modern firearm is required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing. (Grouse are not upland game birds.)



What the intent is, I don't know. Seems pretty cut and dry to me as well. Would I wear it? Maybe. Would I have it with in case I need to put it in real quick? Yes

The intent is to keep people from getting shot! A high power rifle is lethal up to several miles. A bow, up to a couple hundred yards. A muzzle loader can still reach out and touch someone but still not as far as a high power. If I can't see you because you are wearing camo, I can't guarantee that I won't take a shot in your direction if an animal is between me and you.

Part of the elk area 3911 is in the teanaway GMU and the modern general season in 3911 overlaps the archery and muzzle loader seasons. There are several areas that have similar circumstances. Just because you know that you are well inside a GMU boundary doesn't mean that you aren't inside anothe deer or elk until that has modern guys in it too.

Regs like hunter orange are in place so people go home at the end of the hunting trips to their families.

[Rainier10]

Pretty sure it is meant for general modern seasons.  Yes the 3911 elk hunt for master hunters is a general season.

The rifle rut bull hunts in 328 are permit hunts so if you are hunting deer during that time you don't have to wear hunter orange as an archery deer hunter is my understanding.