ACTION REQUESTED - Forest Service to grant exclusive tribal access

[Fl0und3rz]

The draft decision notice for your reading pleasure http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/102294_FSPLT3_3817679.pdf

Funny.  The first substantive info in the notice? 

In accordance with Federal civil rights law and U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) civil  rights regulations and policies, the USDA, its Agencies, offices, and employees, and institutions participating in or administering USDA programs are prohibited from discriminating based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity (including gender expression), sexual orientation, disability, age, marital  status, family/parental status, income derived from a public assistance program, political beliefs, or reprisal or retaliation for prior civil rights activity, in any program or activi ty conducted or funded by USDA (not  all bases apply to all programs).

 

You have to pay good money to get better fiction than that.


Helpfully, they provide a useful link and contact information where you can file a program discrimination complaint related to the notice.

To file a program discrimination complaint, complete the USDA Program Discrimination Complaint Form, AD -3027, found online at  http://www.ascr.usda.gov/complaint_filing_cust.html  and at any USDA  office or write a letter addressed to USDA and provide in the letter all of the information requested in the  form. To request a copy of the complaint form, call (866) 632 -9992. Submit your completed form or letter to USDA by: (1) mail: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights, 1400 Independence Avenue, SW, Washington, D.C. 20250 -9410; (2) fax: (202) 690- 7442; or (3) email:  program.intake@usda.gov.

Be sure and tell them that they might have skipped the day that APA was taught. 

Anyone know of a good class action attorney that might want to make a quick buck on behalf of WA sportsmen, sportswomen, and various other sportsXs?

[saylean]

What a crock of the material that comes out of the south end of a steer.
Who do they think they are?!

Since society is now allowing people to be "who they most associate themselves with" I think I am now tribal. Where are my keys to the gate? After all, if a guy can claim he is a woman, or a woman marry a tree, why cant a pasty red head be indian?

[Hectocotylus]

What a crock of the material that comes out of the south end of a steer.
Who do they think they are?!

Since society is now allowing people to be "who they most associate themselves with" I think I am now tribal. Where are my keys to the gate? After all, if a guy can claim he is a woman, or a woman marry a tree, why cant a pasty red head be indian?

Well said.


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[NoBark]

Enviros and Tribes have no problem suing the Feds. Why don't sportsmen do it?  This is wrong to pull an option 4 out of the hat like this.  There have got to be some pro-hunting lawyers willing to take on the USFS somewhere?

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

"Treaty tribes depend on the current road system to access fish and wildlife populations."

 What happened to "usual and accustomed"?

I am still hung up on "in common with the citizenry", ALL CITIZENS of Washington State should have the same rules!

[Green broke]

Blood pressure is up again, I just can't wait till it happens down here in greenwater.

[trophyhunt]

Blood pressure is up again, I just can't wait till it happens down here in greenwater.

ha ha, your just waiting for that key!!! 

[trophyhunt]

Blood pressure is up again, I just can't wait till it happens down here in greenwater.

hey, all the comments and you pick out mine??  Greenbroke is a native who doesn't agree with my opinions! 

[Bullkllr]

Wow that really suck I use both roads regularly. When do they plan on doing this.

From what I can tell, they regulations "can" go into effect as soon as the 45 day "Objection" period is up.  That "Objection" period began when they published the regulations which was sometime in late July.

Anyone know how someone would go about making a formal "objection"?

I guess I could call this number say 100 times or so tomorrow.

 For More Information Contact:
Mt. Baker Ranger District
810 State Route 20
Sedro-Woolley, WA 98284
360-856-5700

[whackmaster]

Legalize gambling. Simple as that. All leverage would be removed.

you damn right, if we legalize gambling it takes ALL the power away from every tribe with casinos, WE the regular people have the leverage then, tribes would lose so damn much money that they would relinquish all kinds of stuff!! Money is the only way to fix this and it's through the CASINOS!! Why do you think the tribes spent millions in slander campaigns against non native casinos??

 

[NWWA Hunter]

This is classic government stupidity

[Elkaholic daWg]

Legalize gambling. Simple as that. All leverage would be removed.

you damn right, if we legalize gambling it takes ALL the power away from every tribe with casinos, WE the regular people have the leverage then, tribes would lose so damn much money that they would relinquish all kinds of stuff!! Money is the only way to fix this and it's through the CASINOS!! Why do you think the tribes spent millions in slander campaigns against non native casinos??

As much as I dislike much of  the damage the initiative process has done against us hunter/trapper/ conservative types I think it is time for an initiative on this.......

[JimmyHoffa]

I've wondered how legalizing gambling would actually play out.  The tax addicts in Olympia would probably make it so the tribes were the only profitable way to run a gambling business, so it would seem like no difference.  But if they didn't tax it out of existence for non-tribals, what would the tribal members do not getting the extra $3K a month?  Would they hunt more and fish more?  More roadside deer/elk jerky stands and salmon/steelhead sales on the street corner?

[Knocker of rocks]

........ if we legalize gambling it takes ALL the power away from every tribe with casinos, WE the regular people have the leverage then, tribes would lose so damn much money that they would relinquish all kinds of stuff!! Money is the only way to fix this and it's through the CASINOS!!

So the what you're saying is if gambling is legal, the tribes will come hat in hand to the greater US for money, and happily bargain away treaty and other rights such as those steming from Boldt?

I just don't think that is at all workable, and so likely to become mired in the courts as to be a much bigger than could be imagined.

1) Boldt was a Federal decision.
2) The State is not empowered to bargain with the tribes regarding anything to do with Boldt except on how to manage the resources as per Boldt (and following court orders).  What is being discussed here is removal of Boldt guarantees, something the state is not allowed to do.
3) The monies tribes receive are largely due to Federal programs or funds, often managed by states.
4) These treaties which cause so much aggravation and angst to some here are between the US and the indigenous nations, and actions by the states to dismember these treaties through other acts could be looked upon by the courts at all levels (especially State Supreme and Federal) as a form of coercion, and treated upon very unfavorably.

[Special T]

There  are many problems that stem from tribal casino $ influence that affects more than just wildlife. Since most sportsmen can only be herded like cats perhaps we need to join another stakeholder in our fight.
Does anyone remember the $350k plus that was contributed to the anti smoking initiative  by the tribes? If they are a sovereign  state nation how are they allowed to donate $ to state causes and issues?  The conflict of interest abounds