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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2016, 05:50:15 AM »
I follow him, Josh Bowmar, on instagram even before he speared this bear. Plenty of videos of him practicing spear shots constanley for this hunt and I had no doubt he was gonna get a bear with one judging by watching his videos.  Him and his wife show great athleticism and both a Under Armour sponsored hunters.

I too follow the Bowmars on IG. As of yesterday Under Armor has dropped Sarah (Josh's wife) from their sponsorship due to the backlash from the Anti's regarding this bear hunt (NOTE: Josh was not sponsored by UA). IMHO, this was a very hypocritical decision. UA and UAHUNT more specifically has many top level hunters and pro-level competition archers and other well known TV personalities on their pro-staff roster, some of which who are also beasts in the fitness world.

It should be interesting to watch how UA is affected, and how the other hunt-thlete's, hunters and UAHUNT end users will respond. So far the support for the Bowmars has been very vocal, I'm sure UA has a few emails to sort through this a.m.  :chuckle:

For those who don't know the Bowmars,  they are very hard working and determined individuals. Often posting about daily fitness tips, healthy eating recipes (including recipe's with game they have harvested) and recently posted about working with a local African tribe as well as donating meat from a hunt that took place during the same trip. If you asked me, this is the kind of person us hunters want to be in the spotlight, a positive spotlight.
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2016, 07:31:17 AM »
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though.  :bash:
Aren't all of us hunters? 


Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.

That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.

It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2016, 07:59:55 AM »
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though.  :bash:
Aren't all of us hunters? 


Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.

That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.

It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.

Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2016, 08:09:02 AM »
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though.  :bash:
Aren't all of us hunters? 


Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.

That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.

It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.

Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.







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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2016, 08:27:27 AM »
Great shot placement. I thought he did it well. He's a pariah now, though.  :bash:
Aren't all of us hunters? 


Yea but this type of video just feeds the anti-hunting groups.

That video is already circulating on mainstream media sites.

It's called tact and this hunter did not show any by filming this.

Under the extremely subjective category of "tact", I would then assume that videos of any animal killing would be tactless. I'm confused by what is acceptable video killing and what is unacceptable. This video is no more or less violent than a rifle kill shot or an arrow. Machias made a great point above. For years, the animal rights crowd has been decrying hunters for their lack of fair play, using bullets on defenseless animals. Now, when one hunter actually levels the playing field, they're up in arms about the savagery of the act instead of praising him. All due respect, just because the video isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it tactless.

The public is going to be far more offended by this video than a rifle shot or duck hunt.

Why do you think the MSM is playing this video? They know it will help the anti-hunting cause which also overlaps with anti-gun groups.

I wish there wasn't a political side to this but there is. When the bear debate comes up in contested areas like Florida this video will be cited. That is just the reality.

It's not about what you or I think of the video or the kill. This video will be used as emotional propaganda by anti-hunting groups.

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2016, 08:40:23 AM »
So, you've pretty much proven my point. If they didn't have this video, they'd have another. 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. Someone arrows an elk. I don't care what it is, MSNBC will find something that's meant to shock the non-hunting world. The only solution is to never post a video or a picture of a kill on social media ever again. I'm unwilling to follow that.
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2016, 08:47:39 AM »
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2016, 11:12:14 AM »
Not the best writer but I let them know how I feel....I'm sure I left out alot and missed other points that could have been made but 5min is all I got so did what I could

Your following statement is full of hypocrisy and I will explain it as you seem to miss what hunting is about...

"The method used to harvest this animal was reckless and we do not condone it," an Under Armour spokesperson told Business Insider. "Under Armour is dedicated to the hunting community and supports hunting that is conducted in compliance with applicable federal, state and local laws and hunting practices that ensure a responsible and safe harvest of the animal."

Josh has hundreds of hours of practice with a spear and has demonstrated his expertise over and over in different videos and settings.  For you to say this type of hunting act was reckless would be like calling Bryce Harpers hitting of a homerun lucky, when we all know his dedication and practice have allowed him to perfect his swing in order to accomplish the feat.  No part of this hunt was outside of compliance with the laws of the Province within which the bear was taken.  The hunting and killing of this bear wasn't outside of millions of years of  hunting practices but more inline with hunting than the other types of hunting that you so willingly support, I'm sure if the market for selling spears was greater you would be offering them for as high a price as the market would allow. The harvest of this animal is no different than that of a rifle or bow and arrow that you support. This same huntress was just praised by you for her use of a bow and arrow and if you really knew what that meant you would see the 3 1/2" cutting surface on the spear is much different and more effective than the 1 1/8" arrow tip when used correctly.

I will not be supporting Under Armour and your spineless Corporate leaders who truly don't know what hunting is about. I will be passing this on to every hunting and fishing family member, friend, random acquaintance, the athletes you endorse and have contracts with and all other outlets I can reach with my voice and keyboard.  To fold under the "PC" pressure of the liberal individuals who are trying to change the very natural of hunting and on a grander scale that of what the constitution ensures as our God given rights is weak and cowardly. If it weren't for the profits you make off of hunting apparel and gear you would only be half the company you have today and I can assure you you alienated more than your fair share to lose profits in this aspect of your business!

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2016, 11:47:29 AM »
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2016, 12:01:10 PM »
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.

Here is the old me's response---
Yes hunting should be done in a manner in which no one will ever be offended, especially those who want to ban any form of it as it stands now since they are so reasonable... might as well try drinking the ocean while your at it  :chuckle:

Who doesn't yip and fist bump or get excited over a hard earned filling the freezer kill, must be you huh? You must walk like your on eggshell as to not offend anyone at all times :dunno:  Are you going to the White Fragility classes in Seattle??

The PC me that you would have me be---
You shouldn't call him names and using the word intestines offends my sensibilities, could you please refrain from your aggressive behavior on this site that I frequent as it is my right to express myself here without the actions of those of your ilk...

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2016, 12:04:02 PM »
What if he shot it in the head with a pistol or rifle?
What if he used dogs?
What if he had used an electronic caller?
What if he used a bow?

All of these scenarios would have still resulted in animal rights (more specifically anti hunting) groups crying afoul.
Their goal is to stop hunting, period. It is not to just stop baiting, not to just stop leg hold traps, not to just stop the use to dogs, but to chisel, to erode, to divide and separate the hunting community as a whole. The goal is to stop all hunting regardless of how it is performed.
While filming/posting the hunt likely brought on the firestorm, it does not negate the fact he hunted the bear within regulation and has done something few people in modern times have.
Stand up for hunters and trappers ladies and gents, or we are going to fall.
I would urge you to contact UA and express support for the hunter/hunters wife if you so feel inclined.

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2016, 12:12:30 PM »
I believe spear hunting is legal in some state but not sure  :dunno: I know Jared Allen speared a elk and buffalo on the Show Relentless Pursuit.  The elk he did from a tree stand.  UA bowing to pressure is a crock. 
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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2016, 12:19:46 PM »
So, you've pretty much proven my point. If they didn't have this video, they'd have another. 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. Someone arrows an elk. I don't care what it is, MSNBC will find something that's meant to shock the non-hunting world. The only solution is to never post a video or a picture of a kill on social media ever again. I'm unwilling to follow that.

I don't see how I have proven your point. In fact you seem to have changed your position in that you agree certain types of videos are far more offensive to the public and effectively used by anti-hunting groups to sway public opinion.

I don't care if a 15 year old girl shoots a giraffe. But why post it online? It just feeds anti-hunting groups. I don't see a good trade-off here. What is the gain in sharing it publicly? Ego gratification? I'm not going to help anti-hunting groups just for my own ego. 

This hunter showed a clear lack of tact. Now his wife lost her sponsor and spear hunting is now banned in the area. And what was gained?

You seem to think that the only option is to never post videos. That isn't true at all. The key is to not post videos that will make headlines. This guy knew a spear-cam would make headlines which is why he did it.

I wish we lived in a world where these videos could be posted without ramifications but that simply isn't the way things are. We need to be wise about dealing with anti-hunting groups. There are trade-offs to everything and I don't see a good trade-off in making these videos public.

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Re: Man kills bear with a spear......."GRAPHIC VIDEO"
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2016, 12:21:42 PM »
I have no problem with the method of take. He obviously was well prepared for the hunt. Too bad he wasn't as prepared to act as an ambassador for hunters than he did. IMO he acted like a self absorbed fool, and showing intestines on the track showed a complete lack of awareness of the audience this would end up in front of.

Here is the old me's response---
Yes hunting should be done in a manner in which no one will ever be offended, especially those who want to ban any form of it as it stands now since they are so reasonable... might as well try drinking the ocean while your at it  :chuckle:

Who doesn't yip and fist bump or get excited over a hard earned filling the freezer kill, must be you huh? You must walk like your on eggshell as to not offend anyone at all times :dunno:  Are you going to the White Fragility classes in Seattle??

The PC me that you would have me be---
You shouldn't call him names and using the word intestines offends my sensibilities, could you please refrain from your aggressive behavior on this site that I frequent as it is my right to express myself here without the actions of those of your ilk...

 :hello: :hello: ;) ;)

My ilk? 

No, I don't go to white fragility classes.  I don't go to Seattle either.  What's your point?

There is a big difference between being PC and being foolish about what you are portraying.  I am hardly PC.  I also understand that there are sides to hunting that aren't pretty that are a fact of life.  Been there done that.

IMO the video did not present a tasteful or authentic presentation of what hunting is about to the NON hunting portion of our population. If you feel otherwise, that's certainly your prerogative.
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