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WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« on: August 31, 2016, 05:52:24 PM »
In case you missed this ridiculous article from the Seattle Times about a the Diamond M ranch turning its cattle out on top of the Profanity Peak wolves den.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/profanity-peak-wolf-pack-in-states-gun-sights-after-rancher-turns-out-cattle-on-den/

Here is an article from WSU clarifying those comments. "Some of Dr. Wielgus’ statements in regard to this controversial issue have been both inaccurate and inappropriate"

https://news.wsu.edu/2016/08/31/wsu-issues-statement-clarifying-comments-profanity-peak-wolf-pack/

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 05:58:03 PM »
I love this so much

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 06:00:19 PM »
Good for WSU.  A true science based approach to wildlife management should not take personal biases into play.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2016, 06:17:02 PM »
I love this so much


haha right! This article made my day :)

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 06:31:20 PM »
That article is awesome.  Love it.  Wsu publicly disavowed the lies put forth by one of their own.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2016, 06:41:09 PM »
As a Cougar , I'm very pleased that WSU called out this bad seed and set the story straight.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2016, 06:49:50 PM »
That article is awesome.  Love it.  Wsu publicly disavowed the lies put forth by one of their own.
:yeah: stand up move. Love it!

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 06:53:18 PM »
My respect for WSU just went up exponentially!
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2016, 07:01:43 PM »
My respect for WSU just went up exponentially!

If they fire Wielgus I'd even donate to WSU.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2016, 07:06:00 PM »
Bump worthy, for sure.

Way to go, WSU.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2016, 07:14:52 PM »
I hope WDFW takes into account this peer review when basing their regs and quotas off his theories.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 08:00:41 PM »
 Is he the same WSU genius that supplied WDFW with their current cougar plan?
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 08:08:21 PM »
WSU is the benchmark and always will be.  GO COUGS.   :tup:
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 08:10:14 PM »
Is he the same WSU genius that supplied WDFW with their current cougar plan?

Is he?  If so, wdfw needs to have this slapped in their face, along with odfw's cougar program.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2016, 08:29:12 PM »
My respect for WSU just went up exponentially!

If they fire Wielgus I'd even donate to WSU.

So where do we start to take a que from the wolf humpers handbook, and apply pressure to wsu to fire their lying pseudo scientist?  Ill sign it, ill donate, lets raise a stink and put this *censored* in the unemployment line.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2016, 08:43:54 PM »


My respect for WSU just went up exponentially!

If they fire Wielgus I'd even donate to WSU.

So where do we start to take a que from the wolf humpers handbook, and apply pressure to wsu to fire their lying pseudo scientist?  Ill sign it, ill donate, lets raise a stink and put this *censored* in the unemployment line.

Not just the wolf humpers handbook, look at what Under Armour did with Sarah Bowman after her husband killed a bear legally with a spear... all because people pressured them... death threats and all that crap... I think we pressure WSU to fire this jack wagon. Yes, I am a Coug and send crap tons of money supporting the CAF yearly.

Go Cougs and dump this dumba$$!



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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2016, 09:19:06 PM »

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Claim that rancher turned out cattle on wolf den untrue, WSU says (Wielgus)
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2016, 01:31:08 PM »
FYI - This is the same professor who's studies WDFW has based WA cougar managment on!

Claim that rancher turned out cattle on wolf den untrue, WSU says
Originally published August 31, 2016

A researcher’s statements about wolves interacting with livestock that stirred up controversy were inappropriate and inaccurate, Washington State University says.

As state officials work to exterminate a wolf pack, the university apologized and said it disavows the statement made by the researcher, Robert Wielgus, associate professor and director of the Large Carnivore Conservation Lab at WSU, to The Seattle Times. Wielgus “subsequently acknowledged that he had no basis in fact for making such a statement. In actuality, the livestock were released at low elevation on the east side of the Kettle Crest more than four miles from the den site and dispersed throughout the allotment,” the statement asserted.

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Re: Claim that rancher turned out cattle on wolf den untrue, WSU says (Wielgus)
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2016, 01:41:47 PM »
Sounds like there are quite a few "missteps" in his statements after reading

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Re: Claim that rancher turned out cattle on wolf den untrue, WSU says (Wielgus)
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2016, 01:51:28 PM »
FYI - This is the same professor who's studies WDFW has based WA cougar managment on!

 You mean the same study that convinced WDFW that there would be less cougar conflict if the annual harvest numbers were reduced and the cougar population allowed to increase? :chuckle:

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2016, 03:47:19 PM »
Is he the same WSU genius that supplied WDFW with their current cougar plan?
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2016, 03:49:20 PM »
A sponsor not renewing a contract and a university firing a tenured faculty member are markedly different situations.  I wouldn't hold your breath if termination is your end goal.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2016, 04:58:11 PM »
Kudos to WSU. 

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2016, 05:05:07 PM »
WSU is the benchmark and always will be.  GO COUGS.   :tup:
This is hardly a statement from WSU that they'll abandon liberalism and revisionist history. :chuckle:
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2016, 08:09:00 AM »
Clint Didier is on the radio slamming Wielgus big time for causing the death threats the cattle rancher is receiving from wolf lovers.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2016, 08:14:36 AM »
i wonder if the rancher will sue wielgus?

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2016, 08:19:20 AM »
i wonder if the rancher will sue wielgus?

People don't tend to be sue happy in our area, but I sure wished he would, that would be awesome if he won a judgement!  :chuckle:
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2016, 08:26:50 AM »
Clint Didier is on the radio slamming Wielgus big time for causing the death threats the cattle rancher is receiving from wolf lovers.

He should go to jail if his actions cause harm to anyone.

You are not a scientist if you have a political stance on your work. You are an activist. The government shouldn't be paying activists on either side of the fence.

This really pisses me off. If I want misinformation from questionable sources I can get on the internet and get "bent" information for free. Taxpayer funded information should be truthful and neutral.
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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2016, 08:44:47 AM »
I just sent a letter (see below) to WSU President Kirk Schulz.  PresidentsOffice@wsu.edu

Feel free to copy and paste any information you would like and send your own letter. 

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As an alumni and lifelong supporter of WSU I applaud the University for issuing its clarifying statement to correct the comments made by WSU associate professor Rob Wielgus regarding the wolf/livestock conflicts in NE Washington.  This is an extremely important issue in Washington and one that should be influenced by the highest level of scientific fact available.  WSU has a stellar reputation as a high level research university especially the animal science departments.  Incidents like these out this reputation at risk and give the university a black eye.  I received a B.S. from WSU in Mechanical Engineering and as part of my education I took an oath of ethics to perform my professional scientific duties without bias.  I would expect that WSU would hold their staff, especially professors, to this same high level of ethics.  I would like to see a full review of the research performed by Wielgus be conducted to ensure his personal biases have not been affecting his conclusions.  I would also like to see action taken to ensure personal biases are kept out of all scientific research in the future.
   

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2016, 09:26:45 AM »
I just sent a letter (see below) to WSU President Kirk Schulz.  PresidentsOffice@wsu.edu

Feel free to copy and paste any information you would like and send your own letter. 

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As an alumni and lifelong supporter of WSU I applaud the University for issuing its clarifying statement to correct the comments made by WSU associate professor Rob Wielgus regarding the wolf/livestock conflicts in NE Washington.  This is an extremely important issue in Washington and one that should be influenced by the highest level of scientific fact available.  WSU has a stellar reputation as a high level research university especially the animal science departments.  Incidents like these out this reputation at risk and give the university a black eye.  I received a B.S. from WSU in Mechanical Engineering and as part of my education I took an oath of ethics to perform my professional scientific duties without bias.  I would expect that WSU would hold their staff, especially professors, to this same high level of ethics.  I would like to see a full review of the research performed by Wielgus be conducted to ensure his personal biases have not been affecting his conclusions.  I would also like to see action taken to ensure personal biases are kept out of all scientific research in the future.
   

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2016, 09:29:25 AM »
i wonder if the rancher will sue wielgus?

Be pretty hard to prove damages, then all you have is libel.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2016, 09:32:44 AM »
True but death threats to the rancher and family are sympathetic. Especially given who the defendant is.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2016, 09:37:48 AM »
WSU is the benchmark and always will be.  GO COUGS.   :tup:
Especially when it comes to Agriculture and Livestock.  Whenever I see papers on crops, cattle, orchards, forestry, etc they are usually connected to WSU.  Those industries are still pretty big in this state and send lots of money back to the main schools conducting research in those fields.  I'd imagine it doesn't look good/fare well to the school to have a prof like Weilgus that is anti-agriculture.  A school like WSU would need to fix that quickly.  Maybe Weilgus should look at the Evergreen State College in Olympia.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2016, 09:45:30 AM »
True but death threats to the rancher and family are sympathetic. Especially given who the defendant is.

Washington State University did not make those threats.  The corollary to this thread seems appropriate.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,200621.0.html

An entity did something (not fix a fence, open a yap) and others followed this by commiting felonies.  When it is a fence, the sentiment seems to be that the plaintiffs are money grubbing lowlifes.  But because of  how the potential plaintiffs are viewed by the majority here, the correctness of a lawsuit is turned on it's head, even though in both cases neither agencyhad nothing to do with the crime committed.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2016, 07:36:09 PM »
This Wielgus character is only typical of all the wolf lovers.   They will lie,cheat and steal to get their way.  I'm not sure why anybody even listens to them they are so far off the wall.  He did give a ridiculous statement about cougar removal and it was just as much a lie as this bogus concoction he spouted off the wall about wolves.  Just because he's a college prof. Doesn't give him one ounce of knowledge or wisdom about managing wolves or cougars.

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Re: WSU apolgizes for Rob Wielgus untrue comments.
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2016, 09:12:19 AM »
I think the Best way to make a big stink is to get the cattlemen association and Farm Bureau to lean on WSU. WSU is THE Agriculture school in the state and has a huge veterinary program. While it may not be possible to can this Jackwagon it is possible to shun this guy so that he gets No extra funding for any reason. We need to make him suffer for his lies. anyone who gives $ to WSU should withhold $ and tell them its because of this jack wagon.  :twocents:
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