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Closed unit but open to a "native". Was the ram taken legally?
Quote from: elkh8me on September 04, 2016, 06:28:15 PMClosed unit but open to a "native". Was the ram taken legally?What's " legally"
This guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to. The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening. The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills. I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level. This Gary guy should be in jail.
Quote from: trophyhunt on September 05, 2016, 10:59:12 AMThis guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to. The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening. The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills. I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level. This Gary guy should be in jail.Pretty disgusting they consider that traditional. Stewards of the land my ass. Rape and pillage...
"I" don't consider this traditional, but hey, not like anybody differentiates on here anyways so carry on folks.
I dont support the abuse and exploitation
it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.
It's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia. But what do I know...my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMIt's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia. But what do I know...my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.Plat, I hope you know I respect your values and I wish you were able to pass on your beliefs on hunting to the rest of your tribe. BUT, your piece of paper should be burned, if we are ever to be on the same level, equal men, that piece of paper you hold has to go away. The constitution is the only piece of paper that makes us equal, period, and until the tribes quit using that treaty against us, there will always be hate. We will never be equal until we ALL play by the same rules. Take care Plat
Quote from: trophyhunt on September 05, 2016, 02:49:29 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMIt's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia. But what do I know...my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.Plat, I hope you know I respect your values and I wish you were able to pass on your beliefs on hunting to the rest of your tribe. BUT, your piece of paper should be burned, if we are ever to be on the same level, equal men, that piece of paper you hold has to go away. The constitution is the only piece of paper that makes us equal, period, and until the tribes quit using that treaty against us, there will always be hate. We will never be equal until we ALL play by the same rules. Take care Platwell said!
Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical?
Quote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? when have I not condemned it?
Quote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights.
Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 07:18:11 PMQuote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? when have I not condemned it? Have you? I've missed it if you have. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 07:18:11 PMQuote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights. But have you ever come out and said "this is wrong and it's got to stop"? As I said, there is a distinct difference between condemning it, and simply "not supporting" it.
The real solution is for the tribes themselves to police these abuses.If the tribes can figure that out maybe they could give us a lesson so we can handle non native poachers like in Bonapart from Operation Cody. That guy slaughtered just as many animals and got no punishment.Just sayin'
Quote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 07:31:35 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 07:18:11 PMQuote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? when have I not condemned it? Have you? I've missed it if you have. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 07:18:11 PMQuote from: huntnphool on September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PMQuote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PMI dont support the abuse and exploitation Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus. Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights. But have you ever come out and said "this is wrong and it's got to stop"? As I said, there is a distinct difference between condemning it, and simply "not supporting" it. For whatever it's worth, I know for a fact, through conversations with him, that Plat has gone to the tribal leaders and spoke out about the issues they have within the tribe in regard to hunting and the exploitation of the rights by a few within the tribe.
Couple of things.It's only a few that are abusing the treaties.My guess is there are more non natives poaching and decreasing the herds than natives abusing the rights.Right now non natives are pissed about the treaties and the interpretation. If you burn the paper then the natives are pissed and really did get the shaft when the settlers arrived.A negotiation would be great but the natives already negotiated once and from what I have seen they didn't get much of a deal for all they gave up and had taken away.The real solution is for the tribes themselves to police these abuses.If the tribes can figure that out maybe they could give us a lesson so we can handle non native poachers like in Bonapart from Operation Cody. That guy slaughtered just as many animals and got no punishment.Just sayin'
Prior to our state managing for spike only the tribe never bothered to hunt off their reservation. But the greed of antlers and money has created some monsters! I 100% agree with an earlier post allowing off reservation hunting only under wdfw rules. Heck, they can hunt any bulls as long as they do it during our season only. These "hunters" wouldn't be quite as successful with their road hunting if they don't get to drive through our winter range in December. This is not only my opinion, but 1st hand witness for many years, disgusting.
WDFW scum keep saying the bull ratio on the colockum is having trouble coming up!! Do you think, when the NDN's kill as many big bulls as they want. On the reserve, they just go a killin!