quail season opens tomorrow and I need to send my gun back for repairs

[Bill W]

Tomorrow is the opener and I think I need to send my shotgun back for a fix.  The lower barrel has misfired on me 6 times in the past two weeks.  So, instead of toting a 6 lb shotgun I will have to opt for a heavier one for the first couple of weeks.

It's either send it back now and carry a heavier gun or "*&&%*(*" and moan when it happens while hunting and then send it back.  That gets one a tad hotter as I had two of the misfires (or failure to fire) on the senior pheasant hunt.

[jackmaster]

If you lived closer you could borrow my double barrel 16 my grandpa gave me when I was knee high to a buck fart !! She has killed lots of grouse, pidgeon and quail !! I hope all works out !!

[Henrydog]

I send a trap gun back to Browning in Missouri, Aug 20th for a rebuild.  They estimate I will get it back Dec 9th.  Customer Service rep said I was lucky because the really get backlogged during hunting season  So you might need a long term service loaner.

[Bill W]

When I talked to CZ yesterday they said they would put my gun at the front of the line as it's a return for the same issue.  First time it misfired a lot... probably 30 percent of the time.  After the repair it was good up to about 2 weeks ago.  Since then I've had 6 misfires.  All of this is on the lower barrel. 

Thanks for the offers of a loaner gun.   I do have a couple of replacements laying around.  I wanted to use this particular one as it only weighs 6 lbs and is comparable to my lightweight 20 gauge except that the patterns are wayyy better.

I fired about 2 1/2 flats of ammo between the repairs, all without incident until starting the senior pheasant opener.   Kent Fasteel has a shell returned to them as a dud. That was the first misfire and back then I thought the ammo was suspect.  Now I think it's the lower firing pin/spring.

[jackmaster]

Sounds like a pin or spring, dumb question but did you squirt some  w-d 40 in there?

[Dhoey07]

Is your lower barrel the first to fire?

[Bill W]

Is your lower barrel the first to fire?

Based on how I have the barrel selector set, yes the lower barrel is the first to fire.  I could reverse it and did yesterday at the skeet range.  I feel it is a short firing pin or a spring problem.

On squirting WD-40 to loosen things up.  I'm not a big fan of WD-40 any more after having to de-gunk a revolver that had been sprayed many times with WD-40.  Some of it was so thick that I had to use a screwdriver to scrape it off. It was even too thick for the solvent to remove.   I think I would have used CLP or something like that had I sprayed something down the firing pin hole.  SeaFoam has a product out similar that I have used in the past on firearm issues.  It works good as far as I can see.

[jagermiester]

Remember when you could bring something like this into a gunsmith for the day.

[GrampasGuns]

Take two spent shells, put a small peice of tape over the primer on both and insert them into the gun. Set your selector to the barrel you are having problems (bottom?)with. Pull the trigger. If you open the gun and the top barrels shell has a indent in the tape, take the gun and 1 time quite strongly, and smack the butt of the gun on the ground. Try again. I had a CZ misfiring on me and it was because I had pulled the trigger on the gun with no live ammo in it, failing to reset the trigger pin for my left barrell. Hope this works for you, someone showed me this and it fixed my problem immediately.

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[Bill W]

Take two spent shells, put a small peice of tape over the primer on both and insert them into the gun. Set your selector to the barrel you are having problems (bottom?)with. Pull the trigger. If you open the gun and the top barrels shell has a indent in the tape, take the gun and 1 time quite strongly, and smack the butt of the gun on the ground. Try again. I had a CZ misfiring on me and it was because I had pulled the trigger on the gun with no live ammo in it, failing to reset the trigger pin for my left barrell. Hope this works for you, someone showed me this and it fixed my problem immediately.

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Interesting tip.  I wonder how the originator came up with that one.  It should work.

The gun's at FedEx on the way back.  I don't believe in fiddling with them if they are under warranty.  CZ sent me a shipping label and insurance.  Also told me it would go to the head of the line for repairs.    I had a DeHaan Huglu that had a problem with the 2nd barrel not firing.  I thought the issue was either dirt in the hammer/firing pin area or a rough edge that wasn't broken on a firing part of some sort.  I never sent it back for repairs and by the time I sent it back the warranty had expired.  It had a real problem and I ended up paying for it on my dime.  The warranty had expired 14 years by the time I finally sent it in so it wasn't even close.

My choices now are a Browning lightweight 20 gauge o/u or a CZ 20 gauge sxs that's about a pound heavier.  Both shoot to the same basic POI as the one I sent back.

[jetjockey]

I hate to say this, but until the Turks get better at making doubles, I won't own one.  The Spanish went through the same growing pains years ago, and now they build some pretty fine doubles, but the Turkish guns still have too many problems IMO.   If you want to piss some money away you can find mid 6lb 20ga Miroku for around $800.  Those guns are as good as it gets mechanically.

[Bill W]

I hate to say this, but until the Turks get better at making doubles, I won't own one.  The Spanish went through the same growing pains years ago, and now they build some pretty fine doubles, but the Turkish guns still have too many problems IMO.   If you want to piss some money away you can find mid 6lb 20ga Miroku for around $800.  Those guns are as good as it gets mechanically.

Maybe you should shoot one at a skeet range before you say that.    I've had problems with Remingtons and last I checked they've been made in the USA since the 1800's.

[jetjockey]

Remington doesn't make doubles any more.  And for the record, I've shot a few CZ's and other Turkish guns.  I'm also not the one complaining because my double doesn't shoot.  With the ridiculous prices if use doubles today, your much better off in the used market.  Hell, you can get a use British box lock that's 10x's the gun as a CZ for only twice as much money.....  As far as my comment goes, I hope it didn't come across the wrong way.  My point was that while your waiting for your gun to be fixed, you can piss away about $800 for a  Miroku.  Mirokus are fine guns.

[Bill W]

I don't need a Miroku and yes your remark came across as one of the Huglu-haters.   I didn't say the Remington was a double.  I didn't even say it was a shotgun.  It was a 700 that had a sticky chamber and was from around 1990.  Warshaws polished the chamber out as back then they were a Remington repair station.

If one would check the Huglu metal standards, the machinery and the specifications used they are the same as what's used in the US.  Shame most US shotguns aren't made in the US any longer.   I'm biased the other way as I have 4 Huglus.  I also have an AyA sxs, a Winchester 101 (Japanese) a Super-X Model 1 and I think that's it other than a Savage 24.

Now.... hopping off high horse,  my issue was sending back a lightweight 12 gauge for repair as I don't like carrying a heavier shotgun.  I don't mind heavier ones in the duck blind but when one is carried more than shot as in upland, I like light.

As a side note I did get one of the gel pack recoil pads Browning has just started manufacturing.  It slips into a pocket on a shooting vest.  I also imagine if I would check that it came from overseas also.

I did see a nice looking 3 inch 20 gauge Citori last week that the owner wanted $700 for.  It weighed more than 6 pounds which is my criteria for upland. 

I forgot I also have a 20 gauge Citori lightweight that only has 2 3/4 inch chambers.  The lightweight 12 gives better patterns than the 20 with the same weight loads and same constriction chokes.

[Bill W]

I hate to say this, but until the Turks get better at making doubles, I won't own one.  The Spanish went through the same growing pains years ago, and now they build some pretty fine doubles, but the Turkish guns still have too many problems IMO.   If you want to piss some money away you can find mid 6lb 20ga Miroku for around $800.  Those guns are as good as it gets mechanically.

Anyone that shoots an vintage Lefever is entitled voice a contrary opinion.    I like the old side by sides also.   

[merkelman]

Tomorrow is the opener and I think I need to send my shotgun back for a fix.  The lower barrel has misfired on me 6 times in the past two weeks.  So, instead of toting a 6 lb shotgun I will have to opt for a heavier one for the first couple of weeks.

It's either send it back now and carry a heavier gun or "*&&%*(*" and moan when it happens while hunting and then send it back.  That gets one a tad hotter as I had two of the misfires (or failure to fire) on the senior pheasant hunt.

BIil have you tried call Joe Shiozaki or Paul Niederman at JSAIRCUSHIION in Cali.  Joe and Paul have some significant history with Huglu and could potentially handle this for you, much quicker as well.

[Bill W]

Tomorrow is the opener and I think I need to send my shotgun back for a fix.  The lower barrel has misfired on me 6 times in the past two weeks.  So, instead of toting a 6 lb shotgun I will have to opt for a heavier one for the first couple of weeks.

It's either send it back now and carry a heavier gun or "*&&%*(*" and moan when it happens while hunting and then send it back.  That gets one a tad hotter as I had two of the misfires (or failure to fire) on the senior pheasant hunt.

BIil have you tried call Joe Shiozaki or Paul Niederman at JSAIRCUSHIION in Cali.  Joe and Paul have some significant history with Huglu and could potentially handle this for you, much quicker as well.

I did not know about either of those guys.  CZ sent me a mailing label Friday morning so I dropped the gun off at the local Fed Ex.  Hit the trifecta on delivery as my gun should be out for delivery to the factory this morning.  The warranty dept said they'd put me at the head of the line for repairs.  There's a possibility I'll get it back before the weekend, whatever weekend means to a retired person.

[wildweeds]

I myself would have taken the stock off and gave the internal guts a good cleaning. I've repaired a CZ that my buddy from the gun club owns. His problem was the barrell lug that the forearm clips into became un soldered. I sought advice from the 88 year old gunsmith from down the street and I silver soldered it back together, it's worked flawlessly for three years now. He worked on guns 50 plus years and repaired a ton of cz shotguns for the local shop that sold them. His opinion was they arent well put together.  He worked on some that had cut off nails for pins in the trigger assembly area. I have a cz o/u 410. It works fine and has about 7k rounds through it. My buddies had 12 through it when his failed,he also had a 28 guage that failed for major repair at 9k rounds. My browning 20 is my go to shooter, I have about 500k through it without a bobbe of anykind. I've seen a couple of kids at the club have trouble with their CZ O/u only when it rains,that tells me the wood is swelling in the trigger area and causing just a bit of drag on the spring . A mirouko is the same as a browning.

[Bill W]

Here's what I received from CZ:  Work Performed: Fit new bottom barrel firing pin, Test Fired 25 Federal, and 5 Winchester shells through bottom barrel with new firing pin, no issues. Top barrel test fired good also.

I'll get it back on Tuesday.